[CAUT] historic temp thoughts

[G Cousins]

Ed,
Very good discussion and rehearsal today.
Only challenges were waiting while the arch lute was tuning and a bit of intonation with modulations around E.
Mostly noticeable with the recorder when she wasn't focusing. 
All in all great run-through. I'll see if I can get a down loadable recording of some of the "tunes" after the performance.
Thanks again to everyone for their assistance.
Gerry C

From: ed440 at mindspring.com
To: caut at ptg.org
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:24:16 -0500
Subject: Re: [CAUT] historic temp thoughts










Gerry-
 
It sounds like you have a group that is willing to take 
some responsibility for intonation.
That should be fun.
My experience playing lute with larger ensembles was that 
it mostly provided "chiff," so tuning wasn't so crucial.
 
Ed

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  G 
  Cousins 
  To: CAUT 
  Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:27 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CAUT] historic temp 
  thoughts
  
Ed,
Continuo is with Archlute and Harpsichord.
Professor 
  (historical instrumentation/history PhD) is the lutenist/arch 
  luteninst he's quite comfortable with historical tunings.
We've 
  been having the discussion. We've been hovering around a 1/4 
  comma MT adn it sounds as if that is the general concensus of the (CAUT) 
  group.
The ensemble has been working all semester toward this 
  concert. I've been trying various temps to see what might fit 
  best. They are a really good group and wiling to let me work with 
  them. I do count my blessings. 
There are a few more 
  practices before dress. Concert is Friday.
GC
 

  
  From: ed440 at mindspring.com
To: caut at ptg.org
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 
  13:05:37 -0500
Subject: Re: [CAUT] historic temp thoughts


  

  Instrumentation?
  Lute and harpsichord together? 
  It will take a very clever lutenist to 
  approximate meantone, though it can sometimes be done.
  And most modern recorders are tuned in 
  ET.
  I think it would be wonderful to find an ensemble 
  willing to really work on these problems.
  es
  
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: 
    Fred Sturm 
    To: caut at ptg.org 
    Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:42 
    PM
    Subject: Re: [CAUT] historic temp 
    thoughts
    
Standard tuning for that time and place would definitely be 
    1/4 comma mean tone. 
    
    
    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm at unm.edu
    

    
    On Nov 30, 2009, at 7:50 AM, G Cousins wrote:
    
      Gang,
One of our groups 
      is performing a concert of "New" Italian music from late 16th and 
      early17th centuries.
Traditional instruments are being used. Viola da 
      Gamba, Lute, Archlute, Recorder(s), Harpsichord continuo. 
I'm 
      open to your thoughts on appropriate temperaments as this is looking 
      to be lots of fun for all.
Thanks in advance,
Gerry 
      Cousins
WCUPA
 
Program
Sinfonia Seconda à 4 
      con 2 Bassi.................. Johannes Kapsperger (1580 - 
      1651)

      Dolcissimo 
      sospiro................................................... Giulio Caccini (1551 – 
      1618)
      Gagliarda 
      quarta........................................................... Anon. Neapolitan ca. 
      1620
      Gagliarda 
      quinta............................................................ Anon Neapolitan ca. 
      1620
      Non più 
      Guerra.......................................................................................... Caccini
      
      Con sorrisi 
      cortesi......................................................... Jacopo Peri (1561 – 
      1633)
      Amarilli mia 
      bella....................................................................................... Cacinni
      Canzona la 
      Francese............................ Giovanni da Macque (ca. 
      1548/50 - 1614)
      Intenerite voi, 
      lacrime 
      mie................................................................................ Peri
      Canzona V (solo 
      instrument and basso seguente) Giovanni Gabrieli (ca.1555 – 
      1612)
      Canzona 
      quarta.......................................................................................... Gabrieli
      
      Lamento della 
      Ninfa........................................ Claudio Monteverdi 
      (1567 – 1643)
      Ben può 
      chi vuol’à Re giugner 
      appreso................................................ Kapsperger
      Occhi 
      gratie 
      d’Amore........................................................................... Kapsperger
      Ballo 
      Secondo: 
      Uscita.......................................................................... Kapsperger
      Ballo 
      Secondo: 
      Ballo............................................................................ Kapsperger
      Corrente 
      Terza...................................................................................... Kapsperger
      Veri 
      diletti............................................................................................ Kapsperger
      Alma Redemptoris 
      Mater........................ Giovanni Felice Sances 
      (c. 1600 – 1679)
      Jubliate 
      Deo................................................... Giovanni Gabrieli 
      (ca.1555 – 
    1612) 


    
    
    
    
    

 		 	   		  
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