[CAUT] using as ETD

[Jim Busby]

David,

After all that's been said I'm truly glad that I tuned for 20 years aurally for 2 main reasons; I don't get upset if my ETD runs out of juice, and truthfully, sometimes the ETD just ain't right! I've got a SATIII and a Verituner and especially at the break I'll occasionally disagree with the machines. I really don't know why, and maybe the real good ETD guys can tell me, but sometimes I hear strong beats that are objectionable. Maybe a partial is louder on that particular piano than it "should be" and the machine can't hear that. (so I switch from 4/2 to 6/3 sooner, etc.) I dunno. The artists or owners seem to like it the way I do it though. Certainly it doesn't happen as much as when I correct things from an aural tuning with my ETD. 

Seems like I need both. Maybe between aural and ETD I'm ONE good tuner!

Best,
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of David Ilvedson
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 3:21 PM
To: caut at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [CAUT] using as ETD

I've said this before...forgive me...but, you will hear this over and over again from "born again" ETD users.   They will tell you they never realized how much their tuning was changing until they could check back to previous notes with the ease of an ETD.   I tune unisons as I go and this is a challenge for aural tuners...why?   Because they are not confident in tuning from unisons.   IMHO   Jeez, I just realized my flamesuit is at the cleaners...  

David Ilvedson, RPT
Pacifica, CA  94044

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Jon Page" <jonpage at comcast.net>
To: caut at ptg.org
Received: 4/12/2010 1:22:27 PM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] using as ETD


>Two cases in point for ETD usage...today.

>Baldwin spinet, bass/low tenor was half tone+ flat, treble whole tone flat.
>6" ruler fit into gap between backposts and block ~2" (separator block tight)

>Set the VT to -105c
>Pulled the bass to that, tenor +10c, A4 and up +15~20C

>The piano is tolerable and will get pulled up when I get bolts to reinforce
>the top of the case. We tipped the piano and the bottom was not separated.


>'Rebuilt' M, (shutter); ave. -20c. yanked to pitch with slight 
>overpull because it will
>migrate sharp this summer. Pointed out short-coming of 'r/r' ...
>2K work as soon as I can get to it.


>If it weren't for the VT I would not be tuning much at all. It does such a
>fantastic job with no effort, except for rock solid pin setting and the always
>evolving tweaking of my stretch parameters.

>Think push-mower vs power-mower.  Which cuts the grass better...
>it all depends on how much effort you physiologically want to put into it.
>-- 

>Regards,

>Jon Page