Tom, Ed, Jon, Gerry & Fred-
Many thanks to all for your helpful replies and discussion. I believe the
source of the "problem" is that the new pedal cushions ("ravioli") are
thicker than the originals. I mentioned this as a possibility in my
original post, and Fred also confirms that he has seen this before. In any
case, I guess the solution is still to cut a little off each of the three
rods, not to squish down the cushions. Since I am customizing the rod
lengths to what's now there, I plan to leave the leather dots inside the
rubber bushings. I will report back my results.
--
Paul Milesi, RPT
Staff Piano Technician
Howard University Department of Music
Washington, DC
> From: Fred Sturm <fssturm at unm.edu>
> Reply-To: <caut at ptg.org>
> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:57:57 -0600
> To: <caut at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Steinway Pedal Lyre Regulation After Reconditioning
>
> What about under the pedals, the cushions that provide a positive stop
> (pedals at rest)? I have had pianos returned after a rebuild project
> where those were too thick, leading to the problems you mention.
>
> Regards,
> Fred Sturm
> fssturm at unm.edu
> http://www.youtube.com/fredsturm
> On Aug 14, 2010, at 12:20 AM, Paul Milesi, RPT wrote:
>
>> Today I re-installed a reconditioned 1970 Steinway D lyre, and found
>> that
>> all the rods are too long.
>>
>> I believe all the basic parts are "original." I replaced all the
>> pedal
>> bushings -- leather, rubber pedal rod bushings with the little leather
>> inserts, teflon pivot rod bushings, pedal cushions (ravioli) , etc.
>> Now the
>> sostenuto piston is protruding up into the keybed 1/8" or maybe
>> 1/16", the
>> dampers have a slight ring, and I'm not sure what's going on with
>> the una
>> corda because I still have the action torn down, but the trap lever
>> looks
>> high.
>>
>> The pedal rods are the newer adjustable type, and I didn't expect
>> this to be
>> a problem. But I've got the nut turned all the way down as far as
>> it will
>> go and they're still too long. There's only one leather disk on
>> each trap
>> lever (original I believe, and slightly worn in), and no felt or other
>> bushing or shim in that area.
>>
>> I'm thinking this might be because the system in 1970 was to place a
>> larger
>> leather bushing in the bottom of the pedal receiving end, and the
>> rubber
>> bushing only went around the outside of the rod, whereas now you've
>> got the
>> thickness of the leather + the thickness of the rubber bushing
>> underneath.
>> But I thought they made the little leather inserts thinner than the
>> larger
>> diameter leather bushings that went in the bottom of the pedal.
>>
>> An alternative source for the problem might be thicker ravioli.
>>
>> I'm inclined to cut the rods, but don't want to mess up original
>> equipment
>> for the long term unless that is the way to go based on lots of
>> experience
>> from other reconditioners/rebuilders. Are there subtle differences
>> in the
>> length of pedal rods over the years? What about trying to compress
>> the
>> ravioli? Any other ideas?
>>
>> Am I missing something here?
>> --
>> Paul Milesi, RPT
>> Staff Piano Technician
>> Howard University Department of Music
>> Washington, DC
>>
>>
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