Ok, Israel. I'll quit thinking and making suggestions, about things I know nothing about. Obviously an oversimplification of a complex problem Sorry, back into my hole now. :-) John Ross Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "jrpiano" <jrpiano at eastlink.ca> To: <caut at ptg.org> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [CAUT] Re Retesting > It was just a thought. > Obviously they would not lose the RPT status, but it would indicate a > willingness to progress. > The progress card would indicate that. Of course the person could rewrite, > and eventually pass, but then, they would know that step, be it voicing or > regulation. > It was just an idea I was throwing out, for possible further thought. > I know I have been attending voicing classes at conventions for years, and > I > always learn things, even although I might have taken the same course, > from > the same instructor before. > I took Roger Jolly's, and the Andre Oorebeek's course, and finally I am > beginning to see the light. > As has been said before, the RPT is just a start in the process, and not > the > be all end all. > > John Ross > Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada > jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Busby" <jim_busby at byu.edu> > To: <caut at ptg.org> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: [CAUT] Re Retesting > > > Hi John, > > (To all, I'm also thinking about CAUT Curriculum in this thread.) > > > I like your thoughts below, and if we were in a perfect world where nobody > cheated, nor grew old, nor had a bad day, it would probably work. But when > you add a pass/fail you add pressure, then the soap operas begin... > > What happens when someone fails? Do you offer retakes? If a person fails > does that person lose RPT status? What is the appeal/grievance system? > Etc. > etc. The devil is certainly in the details, and if everyone passed every > time that would also indicate a bogus system. > > If it is just an "attendance required" what if they sleep through it, but > attend? I saw a tenured High School teacher in a "required certification > meeting" where attendance was mandatory and he and a friend played chess > the > entire two hours, yet he got the required "whatever-it-was" because he was > there... > > > Frankly, I wonder if all RPTs could pass the tests again. For fun I > frequently test myself against the SAT, just to keep on my toes. My score > is > NOT 100% every time <G> but it is usually pretty good. Some days are > better > than others. Once not long ago I got less than the 80%! (FAILED!!!) It > ticked me off so I immediately retested myself and got in the 90s. But > isn't > that like cheating at solitaire? I wonder how I'll do at age 95? > > Keep thinking. It keeps us all on our toes. > > > Best, > Jim Busby > > > > If not retesting, why not a class at conventions with a test. > The classes could be more involved than the original tests. Covering > different areas each year. > It would increase the attendance at conventions. > Attendees would be advancing there knowledge. There could be a book that > would be stamped each time. The book having been issued when the RPT > status > was reached. > This would prove to all, that progress was being made, and the person was > not stagnating, content with the initial pass. > John Ross > Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada > jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3029 - Release Date: 07/26/10 > 03:36:00 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3029 - Release Date: 07/26/10 03:36:00
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