Hi Paul, Yes, for moving. As a company selling product, we need to do these tests as we never know where or when a piano will be moved. You may never move the piano in cool temperatures but many moves happen in the cold months and are even stored in cold temps. Granted the long haul movers are usually heated trailers but we lost most of our NAMM piano finishes because of an unheated trailer going up to Montana. We have to be prepared for the worst. All the best, Mark -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of caut-request at ptg.org Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 11:00 AM To: caut at ptg.org Subject: CAUT Digest, Vol 23, Issue 16 Send CAUT mailing list submissions to caut at ptg.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/caut or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to caut-request at ptg.org You can reach the person managing the list at caut-owner at ptg.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CAUT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: WNG glue and black dust (Paul T Williams) 2. Re: WNG glue and black dust (Larry J Messerly) 3. Re: WNG glue and black dust (Zeno Wood) 4. Re: WNG glue and black dust (James Patrick Draine) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:01:05 -0500 From: Paul T Williams <pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu> To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] WNG glue and black dust Message-ID: <OF43F9A082.E8E044C3-ON86257799.00474547-86257799.004782BA at unl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Mark, I'm a bit confused about the "freezing test". When am I ever going to put a piano in such conditions? At least the one I'm working on will stay in a classroom for its' remaining lifetime...or mine....whichever comes first ;>) Why do you perform this kind of test? For moving pianos in January? Please inform. Thanks Paul From: "Mark S Burgett" <markb at pianodisc.com> To: <caut at ptg.org> Date: 09/07/2010 06:13 PM Subject: Re: [CAUT] WNG glue and black dust Hi Ed, That is an interesting point about the ?J? curve. We the Gel CA it is possible to remove the hammers with a little heat on the glue joint and our hammer removal pliers. The will be available in a few weeks. The glue we did use was ?Assembly 65? made by the Franklin Glue Co. and not PVC-E. The PVC-E did not pass the freezing test as most glues tested. As earlier mentioned, it is important to always wear a good breathing devise whenever cutting our shanks or wood. The same goes for eye protection. Protect what you have. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/caut.php/attachments/20100909/58b312b8/attachment- 0001.htm> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 06:43:22 -0700 From: Larry J Messerly <prescottpiano at juno.com> To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] WNG glue and black dust Message-ID: <20100909.064322.4008.2.prescottpiano at juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Sounds like the situation where Baldwin would not approve a new easier to handle pin block because it woule not pass the boiling test. Larry Messerly, RPT Bringing Harmony to Homes On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:01:05 -0500 Paul T Williams <pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu> writes: Hi Mark, I'm a bit confused about the "freezing test". When am I ever going to put a piano in such conditions? At least the one I'm working on will stay in a classroom for its' remaining lifetime...or mine....whichever comes first ;>) Why do you perform this kind of test? For moving pianos in January? Please inform. Thanks Paul From: "Mark S Burgett" <markb at pianodisc.com> To: <caut at ptg.org> Date: 09/07/2010 06:13 PM Subject: Re: [CAUT] WNG glue and black dust Hi Ed, That is an interesting point about the ?J? curve. We the Gel CA it is possible to remove the hammers with a little heat on the glue joint and our hammer removal pliers. The will be available in a few weeks. The glue we did use was ?Assembly 65? made by the Franklin Glue Co. and not PVC-E. The PVC-E did not pass the freezing test as most glues tested. As earlier mentioned, it is important to always wear a good breathing devise whenever cutting our shanks or wood. The same goes for eye protection. Protect what you have. Mark ____________________________________________________________ Mortgage Rates Hit 3.25% If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c88e4c6987311d0f6cm01vuc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/caut.php/attachments/20100909/89cfdabd/attachment- 0001.htm> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:48:26 -0400 From: Zeno Wood <zeno.wood at gmail.com> To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] WNG glue and black dust Message-ID: <AANLkTi=fBtuHx15-aKxUjqq8TaP==R1bKQxskiUypTHr at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Although, to be fair, pianos do occasionally find themselves in an unheated moving truck. I've never made a piano broth, though. -Zeno Wood On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Larry J Messerly <prescottpiano at juno.com>wrote: > Sounds like the situation where Baldwin would not approve a new easier to > handle pin block because it woule not pass the boiling test. > Larry Messerly, RPT > Bringing Harmony to Homes > > On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:01:05 -0500 Paul T Williams < > pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu> writes: > > Hi Mark, > > I'm a bit confused about the "freezing test". When am I ever going to put > a piano in such conditions? At least the one I'm working on will stay in a > classroom for its' remaining lifetime...or mine....whichever comes first ;>) > Why do you perform this kind of test? For moving pianos in January? Please > inform. > > Thanks > Paul > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/caut.php/attachments/20100909/d6e45389/attachment- 0001.htm> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:34:55 -0400 From: James Patrick Draine <draine at me.com> To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] WNG glue and black dust Message-ID: <9AB36CE8-E414-47D7-8D9A-8F2A34E504F9 at me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I believe the freezing test is in regard to how stable the glue is before application: between when it is manufactured, shipped to WN&G, shipped out from them, sitting on a technician's front porch after UPS drops it off during sub-zero weather, etc. Not to mention sitting in the technician's car in the driveway, not even in an unheated garage overnight, and between rural appointments. I know, most of the latter stuff doesn't apply to the CAUT tech in his air conditioned state of the art shop, but WNG (I am sure) wants to get as many bugs out of their system as soon as possible. Now, how does it hold up to 100 degrees plus sitting in a technician's car over the summer? Well, if you bring all your glues in & out with you (home shop and customer's home), neither of these will be insurmountable difficulties ... Patrick Draine (in hot & cold New England) On Sep 9, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Paul T Williams wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I'm a bit confused about the "freezing test". When am I ever going to put a piano in such conditions? At least the one I'm working on will stay in a classroom for its' remaining lifetime...or mine....whichever comes first ;>) Why do you perform this kind of test? For moving pianos in January? Please inform. > > Thanks > Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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