On Feb 15, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Laurence Libin wrote: > Logically to identify a uniquely Steinway D sound (even a 1990s NY > D sound) you'd have to show that no other piano's tonal > characteristics overlap with the D's. But it can be very hard to > identify different manufacturers' pianos by ear in a blind test > because parameters overlap. I've demonstrated this for discerning > listeners, and you'd be surprised how few can tell a Steinway from a > Bechstein or Yamaha, much less a NY D from a Hamburg, under > controlled conditions. No doubt this is correct, and it is true that individual variance between pianos of any given manufacturer/model can be larger than differences between manufacturer/models, especially when preparation by various technicians and performance by various pianists is factored in. In the concert grand arena, there is a tendency to convergence that makes this even less clear, mostly from other manufacturers emulating at least some Steinway characteristics (for instance, virtually everyone now has front and back duplex). But there _are_ some elements that are clearly different, and tend toward an overall difference in sound and response. Scale is one, where the Steinway scale demands considerably more stretch than many other brands (reaching a difference, with similar parameters for choosing octave size, of 20 cents or more at C8. This has an effect on the overall sound, though in itself it is probably too subtle for the average listener to hear. Lacquer hammers is another, though most experienced high level techs can make that difference disappear for practical purposes (except in the ability to alter tone color back and forth in a short period of time - but that is more of a practical matter). In any case, my last post was aimed at one specific distinction, between NY Steinway original equipment and design, and a general array of rebuilding/remanufacture/redesign standards and concepts that are pretty well established among at least a small group of rebuilders, and have been expressed, argued and explained at great length and in great detail on this list and pianotech over the years. Here, the distinction is more clear, as a number of factors are changed. In the extreme case, the soundboard is rib crowned with stiffer ribs and with a bass cutoff relatively close to the bridge; duplex is removed in favor of a lower angle and shorter front segment; rescaling is done; hammers are cold pressed without lacquer. These differences are in marked contrast to Steinway design, especially when all put together, and the difference in sound and response is pretty clear. Regards, Fred Sturm University of New Mexico fssturm at unm.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/caut.php/attachments/20110215/27b6115b/attachment.htm>
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