[CAUT] Steinway verdigris

Douglas Wood dew2 at u.washington.edu
Fri Jan 7 14:42:19 MST 2011


I've finally surfaced, and would like to chime in on this topic.

I am under the impression that there were a number of changes  
implemented in the Steinway NY actions around 1912. The most easily  
noted is the change from a jack stop felt in the balancier window to a  
regulating button and spoon for jack-to-knuckle alignment. It seems to  
me that at about the same time, the "verdigris problem" begins to crop  
up. I have seen numerous NY Steinway actions from before 1912 that did  
not have substantive action center problems. It is much more common  
between 1912 or so and the mid 1980's to want either to install all  
new parts, or do significant work on the old ones.

I have come to portray the problem, to my clients, as one of "gumming  
up the works". Steinway has dipped or soaked the parts, to stabilize  
or lubricate or something--one can see it in the darkened wood. Some  
years it is flange only, some years it seems to include the shank.  
Some years seem to gum up more and/or more quickly than others. But  
the short is that most of the actions built between 1912 or so and  
1962, when they went to Teflon, will get the "dreaded verdigris  
problem" within 40-50 years. (Teflon then has its own issues, as do  
the earliest of the Teflon II parts.)

If only some of our other household items would last so long!

I have found that I can usually, but not always, keep an action going  
more or less acceptably by repeated applications of ProTek CPL and  
McLube 1725L. But the problem comes back sooner or later; in fact, I  
usually promise the client that it will be back. I can actually fix  
the problem only when the owner finds it worth spending the $ to  
replace parts.

I agree with Fred in that I've never been convinced that the  
functional problem was the green stuff: it's just the most obvious  
indicator of the condition. I have, however, seen rather pitted center  
pins coming out of some of the centers. Clearly corrosion is at least  
sometimes at work, as well as the gumming up of whatever the wet stuff  
is.

So I am sorry that the piano has this problem, but 40-50 years is  
actually a pretty commendable service life for a mechanical device.

Now, on the question that brought this all up--is a one-time exposure  
to high humidity significant in this problem--I'd have to go with the  
very unlikely vote. I think it is a long-term oxidation/corrosion/ 
chemical reaction kind of problem. Unfortunate, but if it made the  
parts work better for 30 years or more, well, I would endorse the  
process unless there were a better one available. Like, hopefully, the  
current Teflon II implementation...

Just my 2 cents worth.

Doug


*********************************
Doug Wood
Piano Technician
School of Music
University of Washington
dew2 at uw.edu

doug at dougwoodpiano.com
(206) 935-5797
*********************************



More information about the CAUT mailing list

This PTG archive page provided courtesy of Moy Piano Service, LLC