<HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: [CAUT] Piano Horse</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Yeah, but I remember repairing a few lyres after their moves.  Movers = are rarely around to see the consequences of moving on an unstabilized lyre.=  The QRS tool makes a huge difference. Rick on 2/27/06 12:05 PM, Jim Busby at jim_busby@byu.edu wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE>I¹ll add my ³amen² to that bl= asphemy, Rick. Barrus movers are Utah¹s #1 movers and th= ey told me they ALWAYS move with the lyre and have never had a mishap in ove= r 35 years! We have a piano horse and rarely use it because of the space nee= ded to do it. Besides, it always feels like it¹s ready to slip outŠ</= FONT> Jim Busby <HR ALIGN=CENTER SIZE="2" WIDTH== "100%"> From: caut-bounces@ptg.org= [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Rick Florence Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:39 AM To: College and University Technicians Subject: Re: [CAUT] Piano Horse List, So now that I've seen a few variations of extra moving equipment that is ei= ther large and cumbersome and/or expensive,  I'll offer my suggestion..= . Simplify and use the lyre. (Blasphemy!!!!!!) Not long ago I cursed movers who used the lyre.  I have repaired too m= any over the years to accept the movers'  claims of no damage.  I = soon came to the conclusion, however, that I would rather repair a lyre than= my back.  After seeing the Grand Lyre Stabilizer in the QRS catalogue,= I decided to order one for ASU and try it out.  3 years later I still = have not broken a lyre, or had to repair a glue joint.  Now I only curs= e movers who use an unstabilized lyre. If you must do the moving yourself, the less equipment to lug around, the b= etter.  Our moving equipment consists of a straight wheeled dolly, the = stabilizer bar, an old tire tube (stem removed) to hold the lid and fallboar= d in place, and whatever tool we need to remove the leg(s).   Tipp= ing directly on to a dolly (as opposed to a skid board) reduces the angle on= the rear leg and lyre and reduces the required lifting at the bottom where = you're most likely to injure your back.   I have done moves myself, but almost always do it with help.  A grand = on it's side is a pretty risky move with just one person.  If the unive= rsity is concerned about risk, I would ask them which is more risky, having = the correct number of people moving a 600-900 lb. piano, or waiting for the = day when the piano falls on you or someone else as you attempt to do a two m= an job with one person.  If your administrator doesn't seem to care, a = quick call to your campus OSHA representative will get things moving (pun in= tended). Happy moving, Rick on 2/27/06 9:30 AM, Andrew Anderson at andrew@andersonmusic.com wrote:</FON= T> David I made one much like Brad's.  Only = wider and with jacking tops on both of them.  I clamp the skid to the p= iano set the tilter with/without blocks to set on the floor or on dollys.<BR= > Mine is way too heavy though.  I'm looking to have one engineered out = of steel. Andrew Anderson At 09:23 AM 2/27/2006, you wrote: Brad, Now if you had another one that was configured to turn it over onto a dolly= (for when you're actually moving the piano not storing it in the corner)...= that would be even nicer...no one likes to deadlift the end of the board to = install a dolly...;-] David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, California <HR ALIGN=CENTER SIZE="3" WIDTH="100%"> Original message From: "Brad Smith, RPT" To: "College and University Technicians" Received: 2/27/2006 1:43:24 AM Subject: Re: [CAUT] Piano Horse Hi All, Here is a link to my solution for this: http://www.smithpiano.com/shop/ On 2/26/06, Rob & Helen Goodale <rrg@unlv.nevada.edu> wrot= e: Hello, Thanks for all the great responses.  Is there somewhere on-line that I= can see a picture of the "piano horse"? Rob Goodale, RPT Las Vegas, NV _____________ Rick Florence Senior Piano Technician Arizona State University, School of Music </BLOCKQUOTE> _____________ Rick Florence Senior Piano Technician Arizona State University, School of Music </BODY> </HTML>