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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Should have proofed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Their</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The thinner vial is inserted into a hole drilled
into the 1/4" body of the level with a window that helps make certain the
tool is used in the same orientation each and every time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The most often asked question?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"Does the piano need to be level?"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yes, but only to determine if the bubble is in the
window. If it is, level to the same spot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If it is not, one needs to shim a leg.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With uneven agraff,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>level the strings to the foot of the tool with the
least slant, and file the hammer to mate the string.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>At the struts often one or two unisons can not be
leveled with the foot. Eric Schandall showed me how he lays the level on its
side under the strut to reach these strings. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric has purchased 20 or so levels. I think he
gives them away to folks who attend Steinway seminars and do not have one
<g></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A
href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=imatunr@srvinet.com href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">Joe And Penny
Goss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=caut@ptg.org
href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and University Technicians</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:16
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] Agraff levels</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Lance,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To my knowledge string - hammer mating was never
done on the level ( sorry ) that it is today.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It was more a mater of mating the hammer to
whatever the strings were. Sorry if there was a problem when the una corda
pedal was used.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It may have been Fazioli who was the first to use
a level on their instruments. There level was / is </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>a piece of brass H channel with a vial in
the top and the base cut so it will cover just one unison.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Very light and for me too light. When one plucks
the string too hard to test for good mating, the level tends to bounce off the
unison.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I introduced my first level at the Orlando
national. It was way too light. Only 10 were made.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We settled on using a brass blank that weighs
about 45 grams and with the vial almost 50 grams.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The only real change in the brass model was to
use a thinner vial so that the tool would stand up a little better to dropage
without the vial popping off.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A
href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=lafargue@bellsouth.net
href="mailto:lafargue@bellsouth.net">lafargue@bellsouth.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=caut@ptg.org
href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">'College and University Technicians'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:42
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] Agraff levels</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890363614-19072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>At
the beginning of this thread I was concerned about an Estonia with tilted
agraffes and uneven agraffe/string holes. It was to the point that I
couldn't bend a string enough to compensate for good string/hammer mating. I
have seen this on other pianos, but not this much.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890363614-19072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890363614-19072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It
would be interesting to know who makes agraffes and are the plate makers
aware of the importance of a level plane (duh, probably). With the
increase in our world-wide market for parts now, I wonder who makes
them. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890363614-19072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890363614-19072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>The bottom line is that you cannot prep a piano to a high level
without this to lay a foundation on. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<P class=MsoAutoSig align=left>Lance Lafargue, RPT<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Benguiat>LAFARGUE PIANOS, LTD<SPAN
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<P class=MsoAutoSig>New Orleans Chapter, PTG<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoAutoSig><o:p><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="mailto:lafargue@bellsouth.net">lafargue@bellsouth.net</A></FONT></o:p></P>
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href="http://www.lpianos.com/">www.lpianos.com</A></FONT></o:p></P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Fred Sturm<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:53
AM<BR><B>To:</B> College and University Technicians<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[CAUT] Agraff levels<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>I don't know where Steinway buys
agraffes, but they now own Kelly Plate, and they have upgraded that
facility to install a computer controlled drilling process. The spacing of
agraffes in new pianos is MUCH better in the past two to three years. I
suspect the square of the holes (hence lack of cant of the agraffes) is
much better, too - I haven't noticed much trouble leveling strings on the
few new instruments I have serviced. They used to have Kelly drill their
plates. Bad idea.
<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>All that
said, perfection of hole drilling in cast iron is iffy at best. The
unevenness of the material itself causes bits to chatter, at least in my
experience. It's not like drilling brass.<BR>
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<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV>Fred Sturm</DIV>
<DIV>University of New Mexico</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:fssturm@unm.edu">fssturm@unm.edu</A></DIV>
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<DIV>On Jul 17, 2006, at 8:04 PM, Willem Blees wrote:</DIV><BR
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>It sounds like we're talking about two different issues. One is
the<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>level of the agraff itself, compared to the level of the of the
plate.<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>What you claiming is that the plane of the agraff holes are not
level<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>with the plate. Which could be caused by poor drilling, or that
the<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>counter sink of the agraff hole is not flat, which will cause
the<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>agraff to cant to one side when it is tightened.<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>The other issue is the holes in the agraff, which is what I
was<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>referrring to. Although there might be very minute differnces in
the<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>plane of the holes compared to the top of the agraff, I think the
holes<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>themselves are level.<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>BTW, does Steinway make their own agraffs, or are they
outsourced?</FONT></P>
<P style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>Wim<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>Willem Blees, RPT</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>Piano Tuner/Technician</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>School of Music</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>University of Alabama</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica
size=3>Tuscaloosa, AL
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