<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN>Strangely this very common temperament doesn't seem to be in Jorgenson's Tuning (sometimes his indexing can be frustrating, so I could have missed it). However, I'll confirm the figures Ken gives based on a couple other sources. Interestingly, Chip Miller's web site (Chip worked with Avery Todd on temperament stuff, and did an amazing compilation of temperament offsets at <A href="http://www.pianolit.com/tuning/">http://www.pianolit.com/tuning/</A>) has completely different figures. I have found his stuff very accurate until this one. Chip lists his source as Barbour (J Murray, Tuning and Temperaments) which seems to have disappeared from our library. Hmmm, always check everything. Someone made a mistake, between Chip and J Murray I think. Another good website for temperament offsets is <A href="http://www.katsurashareware.com/temperaments/temperaments.html">http://www.katsurashareware.com/temperaments/temperaments.html</A>.<DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN>While looking on the shelf (I badly needed a break from pitch lowering) I ran across a new book on the topic, A Guide to Musical Temperament, by Thomas Donahue, Scare Crow Press, 2005. Looks like a great reference book. Well-organized, and lots of background information and the data needed to figure things out yourself if you are so inclined.</DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN>Aural instructions, minimized:</DIV><DIV>CF, FA#, A#D#, D#G#,G#C#, C#F# all pure 5ths or 4ths. FA 2 bps. AE pure. EB pure (which makes BF# wide 2 bps). You've got D and G left to tune. </DIV><DIV>Tune DA wide P4 about 2 bps. GD narrow P5 1.5 bps, and CG should be wide P4 2 bps. Check FA, CE, DA, GD, CG, BF# all beat about the same (1.5 to 2 bps).</DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN>It's a very simple temperament, with 8 pure 5th/4ths, 4 tempered ones. Tune pure 4th/5ths down through the circle of 5ths from C to F#, then a wide tempered 4th to B, then two more pure 4th/5ths, then three wide/narrow tempered. <BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>Regards,</DIV><DIV>Fred Sturm</DIV><DIV>University of New Mexico</DIV><DIV><A href="mailto:fssturm@unm.edu">fssturm@unm.edu</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Aug 15, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Jeff Tanner wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">These are also in Appendix B of the SAT III Operating Manual, except rounded to one decimal point. Temperament 13 is preprogrammed to Werckmeister with the same offsets below.<DIV>Jeff T</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Aug 15, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Ken Zahringer wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <FONT face="Garamond"><SPAN style="font-size:14.0px">I don’t have <U>Tuning</U>, but the Werckmeister III is in my Verituner, and Dave Carpenter said he got all his data from Jorgensen. The offsets I have are:<BR> <BR> A 0.00<BR> A# +7.82<BR> B +3.91<BR> C +11.73<BR> C# +1.96<BR> D +3.91<BR> D# +5.87<BR> E +1.96<BR> F +9.78<BR> F# 0.00<BR> G +7.82<BR> G# +3.91<BR> <BR> Hope this helps,<BR> Ken Z.<BR> <BR> <BR> On 8/15/06 1:12 PM, "Becker, Lawrence (beckerlr)" <<A href="mailto:BECKERLR@UCMAIL.UC.EDU">BECKERLR@UCMAIL.UC.EDU</A>> wrote:<BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><FONT size="4"><FONT face="Baskerville Old Face"><SPAN style="font-size:18.0px"><B>Does anyone know if Jorgensen gives instructions and/or offsets for tuning Werkmeister III in <U>Tuning</U>? I can’t find it from the indices.<BR> <BR> Thanks in advance<BR> <BR> </B></SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face="Garamond"><SPAN style="font-size:17.0px">Lawrence</SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="font-size:17.0px"><FONT face="Baskerville Old Face"> Becker, RPT<BR> Piano Technician<BR> College-Conservatory of Music<BR> </FONT><FONT face="Garamond">University of Cincinnati<BR> </FONT></SPAN></B><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:16.0px"> <BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Garamond"><SPAN style="font-size:14.0px"><BR> </SPAN></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face="Garamond"><SPAN style="font-size:14.0px"><BR> <BR> -- <BR> Ken Zahringer, RPT<BR> Piano Technician<BR> MU School of Music<BR> 297 Fine Arts<BR> 882-1202<BR> cell 489-7529<BR> </SPAN></FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>