<HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: [CAUT] Irwin bit</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Hi David,     Just take a block od wood and drill it with your forsner bit first, then using two small nails, attach it to the keybed to use as a quide.  Once the bit starts to cut the larger hole in the key bed you are ok, and the block you drill first acts as that starting hole for you so ne center is needed. Richard On 10/16/06 2:15 PM, "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE>List,   I usually use a forstner bit for retro-fitting pitmans in Steinways and other grands.   Problem is starting the forstner bit into the keybed.   I came across an Irwin 1&1/8" forstner type bit except with a threaded starter tip, about 3/4" long.   As I think about it now I suppose the starter tip wouldn't be of much help since it is going into the pitman hole...anyone used this bit for this repair?   David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 </BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY> </HTML>