<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2995" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY style="BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none" bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=156421317-22112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Well, I went back and since there already was graphite in the keybed I took patrolium jelly commonly known as vaseline and put it liberally on the glides and it totaly stopped the squeak. I'll let you know if it starts again.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Les Fitzpatrick </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=2> <P><http://www.fitzsupershop.com</P></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Piano Technician</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ham call sign </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>K5FPT</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark Ultsch<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:43 PM<BR><B>To:</B> College and University Technicians<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] squeak<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I had a similar situation with  an Estonia L190 -- I think it is 6'-4" or 6'-8"-- serial no.<FONT size=2> 6347.  I think it was manufacturered 3 years ago.  All the aforementioned diagnostics/fixes were tried.    The problem was isolated to be above the lyre and trapwork.</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=2>I also cleaned (even used a bit of naptha and Flitz) and polished the action shift spring and lubed it and the key frame with teflon.  It helped a lot, but the problem was still vaguely there, and grew back in just a couple of weeks.</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another tech (three of us spent hours each going over this piano) removed the action shift spring and gingerly (stomped on it) reduced it's spring rate.  That again helped temporarily but the problem returned.  Eventually, the  owner was given a  good deal on a new Estonia by the dealer.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know this history isn't helping you solve the problem, but I'm wondering if the problem (in my case) is more complex than simply one problem.  Could bad lubricant have gotten burnished into the key frame wood to cause the spring  to squeek?  In my case, the squeek became worse after continued use of the pedal.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Do you have indentations on the treble side of the keyframe made from a "heavy" action shift spring?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Could it be that a glide bold is loose and is shifting in the key frame?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'd really like to know what you discover on this one, Les.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73's!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mark Ultsch, RPT</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ilvey@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net">David Ilvedson</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 21, 2006 7:54 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] squeak</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Also the cheekblocks/keyframe pins can squeek...protek...prolube?   <BR><BR>David Ilvedson, RPT<BR>Pacifica, CA 94044<BR><BR><BR> <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 3px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message<BR>From: "Leslie Fitzpatrick" <LESFITZ@COX.NET><BR>To: "Ptg List" <CAUT@PTG.ORG><BR>Received: 11/21/2006 10:17:59 AM<BR>Subject: [CAUT] squeak<BR><BR> <DIV align=left><SPAN class=373530818-21112006><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello, I hav a estonia grand probably a 6 foot it has a squeak when you depress the soft pedal I graphited the key bed and it totally stopped. But a day later it is back worse than ever. I also adjusted the glides that were not adjusted properly I sure need help with this one. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Les Fitzpatrick </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=2> <P><http://www.fitzsupershop.com</P></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Piano Technician</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ham call sign </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>K5FPT</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>