<HTML> <HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="OPENWEBMAIL" name=GENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <div align="left"> <pre></pre> <pre>identical to the S&S whips except the numbers. </pre> <pre>My mentor said the new renner shanks were warping right back to where they were originally. </pre> <pre>He said he liked the lightened Brooks Abel shanks. The maple stays put. </pre> <pre>He also said Tokiwa had solved their pinning problems and their shanks were really good and you can get a 17mm knuckle placement,</pre> <pre>same as the Abels. </pre> <pre>Renner doesn't make a shank that will carry their own hammers. It's really hard to take that much weight off a set Renner blues.</pre> <pre>Keith Roberts</pre></div> I just used some Tokiwa whips on an S&S A and there was less traveling than any set I have done, Renner or S&S. I had to travel maybe 5. They look </BODY> </HTML>