<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1561" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>The thing is tuning pins don't all have the same tapered angle. Your # 3 tip might go down lower on that pin, but it doesn't mean that it's touching the pin closer to the becket. The only way to check for fitting is when the tip is not attached to the head. This way you can see through where the tip is contacting the pin. Have a look, you might be surprised. The only drawback of having a too big tip is that on softer tuning pins where might be more twisting of the pin since your contact point might be the top part of the pin. I personnally prefer that the tip contacts the pin as low as possible on the tapered part.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Marcel Carey, RPT</DIV> <DIV>Sherbrooke, QC</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=fr dir=ltr align=left>-----Message d'origine----- De : caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] De la part de David Skolnik Envoyé : 12 janvier 2007 06:15 À : ilvey@sbcglobal.net; College and University Technicians Objet : [CAUT] Tuning Hammer tip sizes, was Re: huge pitch raise question </DIV>At 02:04 AM 1/12/2007, David Ilvedson wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">#2 is a good all around tip...#3 is too big for me...imho David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA  94044</BLOCKQUOTE> Oh David, As everyone knows, size isn't everything when it comes to describing tuning lever tips. (You're basically right though. #2 could be considered a good all-around). I don't think all tuning pins of a particular size necessarily share the same head geometry.  My, as yet un-upgraded default tuning hammer set up is like Michelle's...extra short head (15 degree angle) with #3 tip.  I carry a 2"(?) head and extra tips #2 and #4. In my roughly 30 years at this, I don't think I would need to take off the other shoe to count the number of times I would have used a #1 tip.   I've not done my own study, nor located one that examines the congruence of tips and tuning pins, however, I'm sure it's more than just my experience that good tip fit can be a compromise situation, unless you are working with one type of pin and find a tip that fits that pin.  My sense is that, as Michelle says, the larger tip sits relatively lower on the pin (ah like) but doesn't hang up when removing to next pin. I would love to know what the ideal, or range of ideal relationships between tip and pin would look like.  It seems likely that too perfect a fit would be undesirable in that it would function like a machine taper and be difficult to separate.   Can anyone point to existing literature on the subject or offer their own knowledge on the subject of pin and tip manufacture? David Skolnik Urtext edition. No emoticons employed. <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">-- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: stranges@oswego.edu To: "College and University Technicians" <caut@ptg.org> Received: 1/11/2007 9:34:11 PM Subject: Re: [CAUT] RE :  huge pitch raise question >Oh Andrew I don't think I've ever done this to anyone here,  but I would >like to disagree with you. >I find that a #3 tip is truly the way to go. One get's more of the tuning >pin inside the channel and for ME, I feel I have a better say in what >happens overall. I only resort to a smaller sized tip when I need to. >My tuning lever has an extra short head and a #3 tip. >It's served me well I think! >:) >> Michelle, >> Try a number one, it will change your style a little but I think you >> might like how it really connects you to the pin. >> >> Andrew Anderson >></BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>