<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)">  <title>Re: [CAUT] Wire Stretch/ Stainless</title> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> Not yet David. This summer we hope to do it along with a spectrum study. We have 5 Ms, a B, a 1098, and a Baldwin L. We hope to do several recordings to compare.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Regards,<o:p></o:p> Jim<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of David Ilvedson Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:48 PM To: caut@ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] Wire Stretch/ Stainless<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Is there a sound recording of the wire in a modern piano?   David Ilvedson, RPT <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Pacifica</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">CA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">94044</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><o:p></o:p> <div style='border:none;border-left:solid black 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center> </div> Original message From: "Jim Busby" <jim_busby@byu.edu>  </jim_busby@byu.edu>To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName>" <caut@ptg.org>  </caut@ptg.org>Received: 4/30/2007 1:11:23 PM Subject: Re: [CAUT] Wire Stretch/ Stainless<o:p></o:p> No. It has a tendency to break (2%) more during restringing and requires a gentler handling. You can’t muscle it around the hitch pin to make the beckets point the same direction. This is also why Juan Mas Cabre meticulously buffs friction points. After stringing it seems the same as far as breakage goes. I only have 3 years experience with it, but it seems great so far.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Jim Busby<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin Treuhaft Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:26 PM To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Wire Stretch/ Stainless<o:p></o:p> </div>  <o:p></o:p> Is this wire less breaky?  -blt<o:p></o:p> From: "Jim Busby" <jim_busby@byu.edu> Reply-To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName> <caut@ptg.org> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:32:09 -0600 To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName>" <caut@ptg.org> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Wire Stretch/ Stainless<o:p></o:p> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>  <o:p></o:p> List, I'm no expert on wire but since I've used Pure Sound Wire I think I should at least mention that this stainless wire is almost immediately stable w/o any "prepping". I know it must be hard to believe... You string a piano, chip it up to pitch, fine tune it, then place it in a practice room and it acts like you did the stringing a year ago! Plus it never rusts and has less inharmonicity. Only a slightly different sound. I'm not sure what ramifications this has concerning "wire stretching" etc. but I'll let you more scientifically minded techs tell me if it does. Seems to be a BIG thing to me, but what do I know... Regards, Jim Busby BYU -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:33 AM To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Wire Stretch Hi Ron, Back in the bad old days when I was doing what Roger Jolly recommended (i.e. seating strings with a small hammer and using a hammer shank as a "drift") I never came across a string that went up in pitch. Some strings would not change pitch, and even in a single unison there were differences of zero to 35 cents among the three strings. I took a lot of measurements because I was hoping to create a "guesstimate" of how much to go beyond A440, seat the strings, and end up near A440. I think coils may squirm for many years. Certainly when I tighten them stability is improved. Too bad we don't live longer--so we could see the results of our (performed in good faith) actions 20 years later. Again with coils some strings seemingly don't change pitch even when they clearly have moved to tighter coils--and others may drop up to 150 cents. Regards, Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T. Non calor sed umor est qui nobis incommodat mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">pianotuna@yahoo.com</st1:PersonName> http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/ <st1:place w:st="on">3004 Grant Rd. <st1:City w:st="on">REGINA</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">SK</st1:State>, <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">S4S 5G7</st1:PostalCode></st1:place> 306-539-0716 or 1-888-29t-uner<o:p></o:p> </blockquote>  <o:p></o:p> </div> </div> </body> </html>