<div>Hello, I'm thoroughly enjoying these discussions</div> <div>         If you're looking for something more 'organic'. Lavendar and cedar are supposed to repel moth and mice. I've had pretty good luck with a pump spray of lavendar & cedar oils that I got at the Container Store on one of my big city forays. It has a pretty strong scent too, though not as obnoxious as moth flakes. This is a rural area. (Cayenne pepper is also supposed to work but I've found it disappointing). Use your head about where to spray it - not metal parts, beneath the balance rail where they nest, around the pedals where they enter, under an upright lid again where they enter. </div> <div>Nancy Salmon</div> <div>Frostburg State University</div> <div>Frostburg, MD 21532<br><br> </div> <div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/9/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Douglas Wood</b> <<a href="mailto:dew2@u.washington.edu">dew2@u.washington.edu</a>> wrote:</span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">Check with Schaff--I was under the distinct impression that all their felts are "moth-proofed". Though I dunno exactly what that means. They should be able to tell you. <div><br> </div> <div> <div>BTW, any entomologists on campus? They could give you an idea what sort of critter it is, and whether you should be concerned about repeat offenses.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Doug Wood</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> <div> <div><span class="e" id="q_11271f9b84edcaf2_1"> <div>On May 8, 2007, at 4:20 PM, Israel Stein wrote:</div><br></span></div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div><span class="e" id="q_11271f9b84edcaf2_3"> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Hello,</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">We have been doing some maintenance work on the Yamaha P-22s in the practice rooms here at San Francisco State - key bushings, regulation, etc. - and we are finding lots of critter damage (I don't know if it's moths or not) in the balance punchings of some 8-10 year old P-22s. No other cloth appears to be affected. Those are the red 1 mm thick balance punchings. Almost identical replacements are available from Schaff (as hitch pin punchings) and slightly larger ones from Piano Forte. Our Director (the brass here aren't satisfied with a mere Department Chair) insists that the replacements be critter-proof before approving the purchase (Yup, I need to get approval for a $35 expenditure. Sheesh...) <span> </span></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">So, anyone know a method of critter-proofing these things that doesn't make the practice room smell of mothballs? Or perhaps some of these products are already critter proof?</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Thanks,</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Israel Stein</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 37px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: -37px"><b></b><br> </div></span></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 37px; TEXT-INDENT: -37px"><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><b>From: </b></font><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3"> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:caut-request@ptg.org" target="_blank">caut-request@ptg.org</a></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 34px; TEXT-INDENT: -34px"><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><b>Date: </b></font><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3"> May 8, 2007 11:01:08 AM PDT</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 21px; TEXT-INDENT: -21px"><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><b>To: </b></font><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3"> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org" target="_blank">caut@ptg.org</a></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 50px; TEXT-INDENT: -50px"><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><b>Subject: </b></font><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3"> <b>caut Digest, Vol 1098, Issue 13</b></font></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Today's Topics:</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px"><span>   </span>1. Hamburg Steinway (Israel Stein)</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 37px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: -37px"><b></b><br> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 37px; TEXT-INDENT: -37px"><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><b>From: </b></font><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3"> Israel Stein <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:custos3@comcast.net" target="_blank">custos3@comcast.net</a>></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 34px; TEXT-INDENT: -34px"><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><b>Date: </b></font><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3"> May 7, 2007 8:13:24 PM PDT</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 21px; TEXT-INDENT: -21px"><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><b>To: </b></font><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3"> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org" target="_blank">caut@ptg.org</a></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 50px; TEXT-INDENT: -50px"><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><b>Subject: </b></font><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3"> <b>[CAUT] Hamburg Steinway</b></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 58px; TEXT-INDENT: -58px"><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><b>Reply-To: </b></font><font style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3"> College and University Technicians <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org" target="_blank">caut@ptg.org</a>></font></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">At 08:49 AM 5/7/2007, <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:caut-request@ptg.org" target="_blank">caut-request@ptg.org</a> wrote:</div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Israel:</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Interesting story!<span>  </span>I'd love to have a closer look at how you educated</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">the pianists to choose based on qualities of the instrument rather than</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">some perception.</div></blockquote> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px"><span> </span>I really cannot take credit for "educating" them in any way. I just give them credit for being just a bit more open-minded than the norm... Both I and the other technician here have a very cordial relationship with all three of them - and they appear to take us seriously. We always talk about the pianos - and it is a two-way conversation, they do listen. So perhaps I am very lucky to be working with such people. At least one of them - the Australian guy - periodically tests out all the pianos, and brings along a graduate student to give him feedback. Two weeks ago he told me that until now he did not play the NY instrument because the tone wasn't "focused" but lately the newer NY has a "focused" tone - such as he typically finds in the Hamburg instruments - so he will use it. Whatever "focused" means. I'm not going to argue <span>  </span>- so far he has been happy with whatever voicing I have done... Apparently he does have a specific tone in his ear, and looks for it in the instruments he chooses. The same with teaching instruments - he absolutely hates some of the Steinway B's that we have here, <span>  </span>likes others and there is an old rebuilt Kawai 500 that he likes. (Because of space limitations in our building they have to rotate teaching studios and share them with non-piano faculty) And all three of these people confer with each other and exchange opinions - so perhaps our faculty is not typical. </div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">One thing I will take credit for. I insisted on letting them play the Hamburg into the ground before restringing it. My colleague wanted to restring it preemptively, but I insisted on letting it really deteriorate to where they couldn't deny the evidence of their ears - that the New York piano is a better choice if you want a lot of sound (at least temporarily). And so they got to play the New York exclusively for a while -and got a pleasant surprise. But I give them credit for keeping an open mind... </div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">Israel Stein</div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">_______________________________________________</div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px">caut list info: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" target="_blank">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br> </div></blockquote></div><br> </div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>