<div>Sometimes you can't tune it during the conditions it will be played under. I couldn't get the stage man to give me all the lights on for a performance but he had them on long enough so  I could see which way the piano was going when it was all on. So with a close aproxx of conditions, I tuned the piano narrow because the octaves wanted to spread but the bass had to be left wide because it didn't drop out as much as the low end of the tenor. It was a passable tuning and when everything was in full force it sounded real good. If I had tuned it normal to slightly wide, it would have sounded horrible. </div> <div> </div> <div>Keith Roberts  </div> <div>On 6/27/07, Jim Busby <<a href="mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu">jim_busby@byu.edu</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi Mike, I suppose some tuners do it and won't admit to it... especially when you call it "slob tuning". <G> I've taken convention classes where it was not "advocated", per se, but a case was made for its possible use. One class was called "Pre-Stressing Your Tunings". I won't mention the instructor's name. Look up past institutes and you might find them. Have I tried it? Yes. Do I espouse it? No. (Ditto Dave Porritt) However, the class was convincing that in some circumstances you might want to consider it. It seems the variance (slop) introduced was hardly perceptible but the tuning "stretched" (not conventional use of the word) in certain places which gave the perception of staying in tune longer. Jim Busby RPT -----Original Message----- From: <a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Michael Jorgensen Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:04 AM To: College and University Technicians Subject: [CAUT] Slob tunings that improve by themselves     Do any of you intentionally mistune pianos using offsets to counteract what you anticipate the different registers and strings within a unison will do as humidity changes?    I believe there is a time a place for everything, including this, and am wondering what strategies you are using. -Mike Jorgensen </blockquote></div>