<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16481" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space" bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, this thread took an interesting turn while I was away from home.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fred, tell me about moving those jacks on a well-regulated/lubed piano.  Is that "all" you did?  I mean, you couldn't just move 'em back and be done. I've never tried it--you had to go through everything again (right?).  I would be interested in knowing what changes to aftertouch you might have had to make as a result of it.  Of course, I could go experiment on my piano...but it's easier to ask.  :) </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Barbara Richmond, RPT</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=fssturm@unm.edu href="mailto:fssturm@unm.edu">Fred Sturm</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and University Technicians</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:12 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] Black on Black... (Jack alignment)</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><SPAN class=Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>Yes, I agree, a .5 mm difference in alignment (one jack that much farther forward than its neighbors, for example) is readily noticeable to a sensitive pianist (and that is the pianist we cauts are working for, or so I like to believe when I'm not in a cynical mood <G>). As is a difference in setup of all jacks of the same dimension. One of my piano profs recently complained about "lack of positive feel" on her piano. What had I done? Adjusted the jacks forward a bare smidgen, thinking it was too much resistance (letoff was too noticeable). I moved them back. She's happy.  <DIV><SPAN class=Apple-tab-span style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>Now your everyday amateur probably won't notice that difference. And it only really shows up when everything is pretty well refined. But "everything being pretty well refined" is a function of obsessive attention to many details, of which this is just one. The total effect is VERY noticeable to just about anyone who can play a piano. So I don't like to take the attitude that something is "good enough for the average bloke." It's not that much harder to get every single unison dead on and solid on every single piano, to give a different example. And the total effect of that is very noticeable also.<BR> <DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"> <DIV>Regards,</DIV> <DIV>Fred Sturm</DIV> <DIV>University of New Mexico</DIV> <DIV><A href="mailto:fssturm@unm.edu">fssturm@unm.edu</A></DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline></SPAN></SPAN></DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>On Aug 9, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Don Mannino wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640335416-09082007><FONT color=#000080><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,128)">Ed,</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640335416-09082007><FONT color=#000080></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=Apple-style-span></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640335416-09082007><FONT color=#000080><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,128)">As far as the disagreements go, I'll stay out of it.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640335416-09082007><FONT color=#000080></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=Apple-style-span></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640335416-09082007><FONT color=#000080><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,128)">Based on your statement about pianists feeling jack alignment, I must respectfully disagree.  Most pianists with reasonable skill will feel .5mm misalignment, but will not be able to identify it as such.  It is very important to be very even, although the exact best location might be debatable.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640335416-09082007><FONT color=#000080></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=Apple-style-span></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640335416-09082007><FONT color=#000080><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,128)">Don Mannino</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left> <HR tabIndex=-1> <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> caut-bounces@ptg.org [<A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</A>] </SPAN><B style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Ed Sutton</SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><B style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:04 AM</SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><B style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> College and University Technicians</SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><B style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Re: [CAUT] Black on Black... (Jack alignment)</SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tim and Fred-</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Let's see. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You guys are disagreeing about the exact placement of 88 little sticks in a 900 pound box.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">By the time you're done with your adjustments, the result may be the same, or may even vary as much as .7mm!</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If there is a difference, probably 2 piano technicians in 300 could feel it, maybe 1 pianist in 300.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sounds like a good topic for a Blood Feud!       ;-)</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When I think about the stuff other people do, I think we are pretty lucky to be worrying about jack/knuckle alignment.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyway, I am grateful for folks who are so passionate about this work.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ed Sutton</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>