<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16525" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY id=role_body style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" bottomMargin=7 leftMargin=7 topMargin=7 rightMargin=7><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV> <DIV>Jim,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm interested in a study which goes as far as possible to understand the wire from the 1850s to the 1880s, which is the main target intended for replacement by Pure Sound wire.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ed Swenson's studies are a good start (I've referred to his extraordinary website for a long time), and we need much, much more.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can only say that the pianos I saw and played at Chris Maene's store in Belgium last May which were restrung with Pure Sound (especially an 1890s Erard and an 1870s Steinway) were astounding.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bill Shull</DIV> <DIV>La Sierra University</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can only say that In a message dated 8/27/2007 5:33:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jim_busby@byu.edu writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Jurgen,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You’re right. I can’t see why Americans don’t use it, except that they haven’t used it. I “went out on a limb” and experimented with it on one piano. Now after about 3 years I’ll use it EVERY time I can!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think the tuning stability has to do with the malleability that Daniel mentioned. It’s absolutely amazing to me that it takes only two or three tunings on a newly strung piano and it’s stable, ready to play without any “prepping” (bending, etc.) Besides the stainless factor I think this is the biggest reason why I use it. Instant stability. Good question. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim Busby BYU<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jurgen Goering<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 27, 2007 5:09 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> caut@ptg.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [CAUT] Scientific study - Stainless wire (Help!)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hello Jim, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">this sounds like a very worthwhile, interesting, and for me, exciting prospect. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As a believer in stainless wire for many different situations and applications, I am surprised it is so slow to get recognition in <st1:place w:st="on">North America</st1:place>. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Among the things you mention, I wonder if there is any way to study how and why stainless wire attains such a high degree of tuning stability. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jurgen Goering <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Piano Forte Supply <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">(250) 754-2440 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">info@pianofortesupply.com <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">http://www.pianofortesupply.com <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Aug 27, 2007, at 14:48, Jim Busby wrote: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">List,</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We (BYU) finally are ready to do some scientific studies of stainless wire. This will be conducted by Physics professors/students here at BYU. Could any of you help me pose some “questions”, “queries” or whatever you want to call it, for these studies?</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">One of our student piano technicians is doing his senior project and his professors (who we’ve bugged for years) are just now getting excited about this.</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Here are some things I’ve thought of;</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">1 </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What are the actual differences in sound between stainless and Mapes or Roslau? (Spectrum, etc.)</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">2 </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What are the differences in inharmonicity between the two?</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">3 </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">(how?) Do bass strings with stainless core sound different than other core?</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">4 </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">etc….</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim Ellis, others, I’d really like some input on this. We have our ducks in a row so now is the time.</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim Busby BYU</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></FONT><BR><BR><BR><DIV><FONT style="color: black; font: normal 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF;"><HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px">Get a sneak peek of the all-new <A title="http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982" href="http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982" target="_blank">AOL.com</A>.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>