<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)">  <title>Re: [CAUT] Scientific study - Stainless wire (Help!)</title> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue id="role_body" bottomMargin=7 leftmargin=7 topmargin=7 rightMargin=7> <div class=Section1> Hi Dan,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Good point about the breakage. However, after the piano is strung the breakage is no more than other wire.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I hate to disagree (below) but the sound for grands (IMO) is actually WAY better with stainless. I put stainless on an M and the sound far outshined another M by it. Vince did a B which was placed in the same studio with another B and it blew it away. Totally. So far all I can determine for sure by preliminary spectrum studies is that it has significantly less inharmonicity. Boy, there is a lot to learn here! Let me know more about your experience with stainless. It doesn’t seem to be what I’ve found, but you’ve always had good insight.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Thanks.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Regards,<o:p></o:p> Jim Busby<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Dan l Tassin Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:42 AM To: caut@ptg.org; Wimblees@aol.com Subject: [CAUT] Scientific study? - Stainless wire (Help on the way!)<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Wim,<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Maybe you should have just settled on moving to <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Gulf Shores</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">AL</st1:State></st1:place>.   That's on a island.  It's just like <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Hawaii</st1:place></st1:State><o:p></o:p> </div> <div> when the Hurricanes come through... bigger waves.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I bet the Salt Water/Air on the islands in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Hawaii</st1:place></st1:State> are real  "killers."<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> HOW do you move pianos from island to island ?? <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Oh, Hey !!!   Have you ridden the NEW multi-million-dollar,<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 3-story "Island Hopper" Ferry, yet ??  I wonder if they'll<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> let you move a piano on it over the water?   Man, I'd be<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> careful rolling a piano from beach-house to beach-house.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Can you imagine the time you'd have up-righting a piano<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> if your casters got off into the sand?   Sounds like a GREAT<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> place to push and sell Dampp-Chasers.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Be sure to keep your strings wiped off; dust off the bridge, hitch pins, coils, <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> tuning pin collars, etc...  Vacuum and dust often.  BEST corrosion preventer<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I've found yet.  [if one has 'new' strings]  A "dry" 2-inch paint brush and <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> vacuum hose works wonders !!  I suggest removing debris first.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Just teach your customers what to do ...  like putting gas in their car ...<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> it must be done often to keep it running nicely !!<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  Regards,<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> D.Tassin, RPT<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Blair SOM Asst.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> PS:  Oh, Wim?  How do you say "piano" in Hawaiian ??      Pi-oak-a-no-no ??<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> PPS:  Stainless is harder, therefore making it more rigid.  Might explain more<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>           breakage, guys. This would cause less tonal effect from harmonic changes. <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>           (aka = not quit the pretty sounds we get tuning grands with strings made today.)<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>           It might be "OK" in uprights for homes and people who don't<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>           know how to keep corrosion from forming.  (aka: people who like to live<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>           with the doors and windows open all year round next to their piano.)<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>           I only wished manufactures used Stainless for Capo bars / V-bars / <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>           pressure or down bearing rods under the strings.  There would then<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>           be less indention into the metal, causing less loss of tonal effect over time.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>           It would be less (no) filing or shaping work to do when restringing.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>           Aaaaaahhh, now, there's a concept !!   Cost??   well, shoot ... pianos<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>           keep going up in cost each year, anyway.   Wad-da-Hey !!<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>           Why do you think people are wanting keyboards now days?   Yes, they<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>           are easier to move from Island to Island.  I bet Magnum has a keyboard<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>           because T.C. can't get a piano in the Helicopter.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> ========================================================<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:06:56 -0700 "David Ilvedson" <<a href="mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net">ilvey@sbcglobal.net</a>> writes:<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 8.0pt; margin-left:7.5pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div> Another study:  will dampchasers keep strings from rusting in Hawai...?<o:p></o:p> David Ilvedson, RPT <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Pacifica</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">CA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">94044</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><o:p></o:p> <div style='border:none;border-left:solid black 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center> </div> Original message From: Wimblees@aol.com To: caut@ptg.org Received: 8/27/2007 1:49:57 PM Subject: Re: [CAUT] Scientific study - Stainless wire (Help!) <o:p></o:p> <div> In a message dated 8/27/07 11:49:59 A.M. Hawaiian Standard Time, jim_busby@byu.edu writes:<o:p></o:p> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> Wim,<o:p></o:p> What a great idea! I wasnâ€™t even thinking about that, but indeed that is THE major difference, after all. Hey, Iâ€™m sure youâ€™ll need some stainless in your new jobâ€¦ <o:p></o:p> Thanks.<o:p></o:p> Regards,<o:p></o:p> Jim <o:p></o:p> </blockquote> </div> <div> That's what gave me the idea. Just this morning I tuned a piano with rusty strings. 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