<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> Paul,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> You restrung a Kawai with Stainless? I thought the high tension scales of Kawais precluded them for stainless. What scaling program, or better, how did you figure the scale for the Kawai with the stainless? I’m very much interested in this.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Also, you replaced broken strings with stainless? What about the sound difference, how did you deal with that, or was it even that different. Both of these situations are very curious. Maybe this wire is more versatile and less fragile than I thought. You’re much bolder than I!<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Thanks,<o:p></o:p> Jim<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Paul T Williams Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 7:05 AM To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Scientific study - Stainless wire (Help!)<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Hi Jim, I rebuilt a 1932 Steinway L last fall.   I did restring a Kawai No.600 three years ago for a church (I forgot that I did use stainless on that one as well...) All the other jobs have been replacing broken strings in practice rooms on S&S, M&H grands.  LOTS of them! I'm very happy in how few times they needed tuning before holding "steady".  I will be restringing another L and an A this school year. (as well as a ton of broken strings upstairs!) Best, Paul <o:p></o:p> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'> <tr> <td width="40%" valign=top style='width:40.0%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> Jim Busby <jim_busby@byu.edu> Sent by: caut-bounces@ptg.org <o:p></o:p> 08/28/2007 10:49 AM <o:p></o:p> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellpadding=0> <tr> <td valign=top bgcolor=white style='background:white;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> Please respond to <st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName> <caut@ptg.org><o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> <td width="59%" valign=top style='width:59.0%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'> <tr> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> To<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName> <caut@ptg.org> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> cc<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> Subject<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> Re: [CAUT] Scientific study - Stainless wire (Help!)<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p> </o:p> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0> <tr> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> Paul,   Here I thought I was the only “crazy”, but I’m finding more people coming out of the stainless closet! Peter Grey, back east, has done five Steinways, and we’ve done ten here. Ed has used the wire for historical instruments. I know of a few others who have done one or two.   I would really like to know what pianos you have strung with stainless. Also, please let me know your experience with the wire. I’ll be helping Juan with an article soon and would like more input from other technicians.   I do have some old wire. Good thought.   Thanks.   Regards, Jim Busby   <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center> </div> From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Paul T Williams Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:53 AM To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Scientific study - Stainless wire (Help!)   I really like this question as I have used only the stainless since coming to UNL.  I used Mapes in the "private" world for 15 years and wonder know why I didn't go stainless sooner!   Also,Jim,  do you have some old wire in the corner of the shop somewhere?  Old vs. new wire might be another study... Best, Paul <o:p></o:p> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'> <tr> <td width="47%" valign=top style='width:47.0%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> Jim Busby <jim_busby@byu.edu> Sent by: caut-bounces@ptg.org <o:p></o:p> 08/27/2007 07:30 PM <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellpadding=0 style='border:outset 3.0pt'> <tr> <td valign=top bgcolor=white style='background:white;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> Please respond to <st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName> <caut@ptg.org><o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> <td width="52%" valign=top style='width:52.0%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> <o:p> </o:p> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'> <tr> <td width="12%" valign=top style='width:12.0%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> To<o:p></o:p> </td> <td width="87%" valign=top style='width:87.0%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName> <caut@ptg.org> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> cc<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>   <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> Subject<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> Re: [CAUT] Scientific study - Stainless wire (Help!)<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table>   <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0> <tr> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>   <o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>  <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> Hi Jurgen,   You’re right. I can’t see why Americans don’t use it, except that they haven’t used it. I “went out on a limb” and experimented with it on one piano. Now after about 3 years I’ll use it EVERY time I can!   I think the tuning stability has to do with the malleability that Daniel mentioned. It’s absolutely amazing to me that it takes only two or three tunings on a newly strung piano and it’s stable, ready to play without any “prepping” (bending, etc.) Besides the stainless factor I think this is the biggest reason why I use it. Instant stability. Good question. Thanks.   Jim Busby BYU   <o:p></o:p>   <o:p></o:p> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center> </div> From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Jurgen Goering Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:09 PM To: caut@ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] Scientific study - Stainless wire (Help!)   Hello Jim, this sounds like a very worthwhile, interesting, and for me, exciting prospect.   As a believer in stainless wire for many different situations and applications, I am surprised it is so slow to get recognition in <st1:place w:st="on">North America</st1:place>.   Among the things you mention, I wonder if there is any way to study how and why stainless wire attains such a high degree of tuning stability.   Jurgen Goering Piano Forte Supply (250) 754-2440 info@pianofortesupply.com http://www.pianofortesupply.com     On Aug 27, 2007, at 14:48, Jim Busby wrote: List,   We (BYU) finally are ready to do some scientific studies of stainless wire. This will be conducted by Physics professors/students here at BYU. Could any of you help me pose some “questions”, “queries” or whatever you want to call it, for these studies?   One of our student piano technicians is doing his senior project and his professors (who we’ve bugged for years) are just now getting excited about this.   Here are some things I’ve thought of;   1 What are the actual differences in sound between stainless and Mapes or Roslau? (Spectrum, etc.) 2 What are the differences in inharmonicity between the two? 3 (how?) Do bass strings with stainless core sound different than other core? 4 etc….   Jim Ellis, others, I’d really like some input on this. We have our ducks in a row so now is the time.   Thanks, Jim Busby BYU <o:p></o:p> </div> </body> </html>