<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Joe,<DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN>I cut them in half, one set for the university, the other for home shop. I didn't find I needed that much length, but others might. I tried pulling the whole length all the way through, and just found it too clumsy and unhandy to do. The half length was better, but I decided for the time being I like the back and forth action better. I actually use about 8 inches at this point, back and forth very rapidly.</DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN>It is really nice to have the full set of sizes, in part so I could make Mannino style broaches for the full range of pins (roughed up a short section with a file) for when I do need to remove some material.<BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>Regards,</DIV><DIV>Fred Sturm</DIV><DIV>University of New Mexico</DIV><DIV><A href="mailto:fssturm@unm.edu">fssturm@unm.edu</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Sep 11, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Joe And Penny Goss wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">Hi Fred, Those were made special for you. Always wondered if you liked them. Now know.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV>Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 238); -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">imatunr@srvinet.com</SPAN></A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 238); -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">www.mothergoosetools.com</SPAN></A></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE dir="ltr" style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">----- Original Message -----</SPAN></DIV><DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN><A title="fssturm@unm.edu" href="mailto:fssturm@unm.edu"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 238); font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">Fred Sturm</SPAN></A><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></SPAN></DIV><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN><A title="caut@ptg.org" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 238); font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">College and University Technicians</SPAN></A><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></SPAN></DIV><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:31 AM</SPAN></DIV><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Re: [CAUT] center pinning changes/ long pin method</SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV>Hi Jim,<DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>Can you describe the long pin method? We discussed something along those lines on this list a while back, but I never got all the details. I understand one is using pins long enough to go through several flanges, but I'm not clear how exactly one proceeds. Does the whole length of the long pin get pushed through the bird's eye of each flange? That seems awfully cumbersome and potentially a bit destructive.</DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>Joe Goss has long burnishers - very long as in a meter or so - for all American sizes of pins, and those can be used as you describe for pulling through the bushing. I must say I am a bit skeptical about the idea that it makes much difference doing the pulling in one direction, but maybe you're right.</DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN> In burnishing center felt, it seems to me that the burnisher is going to be pressing against the felt hard enough that fibers wouldn't be able to move around, at least significantly. At this point in my own work I mostly do a rapid back and forth action, fast enough and enough of them to create a good bit of heat. (You can get heat pulling the burnisher through all the way rapidly, but I think I get more heat faster by doing back and forth, as the metal of the burnisher heats up). That seems to set the felt quite nicely. And it seems to be possible to move up a half size to a full size just using burnishing action without removing any felt, just the ironing action. I haven't been doing it this way long enough to have a good sense for longevity and whatnot, but it seems to be good so far. Certainly makes sense, as long as the felt in the bushings doesn't swell later, maybe due to humidity rise, and make the centers sluggish, and I haven't found that in university pianos, which get quite a bit of use. Of course I am dealing with my own humidity environment, which is typically 10% to 60% range. <BR><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><DIV>Regards,</DIV><DIV>Fred Sturm</DIV><DIV>University of New Mexico</DIV><DIV><A href="mailto:fssturm@unm.edu"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 238); -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">fssturm@unm.edu</SPAN></A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN></DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Sep 10, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Jim Busby wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">Hi Ted,</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="min-height: 14px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><BR style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">Just some feedback on the "long pinning method" you mention below</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">(Thanks Jurgen!). I have been doing this for quite a while now and it</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">seems to have much more longevity and be more stable than other methods.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">I think it is because the long pin pulls one direction through the</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">center, thus "combing" the fibers in one direction and packing them in</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">tight. When I use other back and forth burnishing techniques and "shake</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">down" the parts the grams may go from say 5 to 4 or 3 until they become</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">immovable. With the long pinning method there is no "shaking down"</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">necessary or possible. Either way is good and can be done to perfection,</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">but this "European way" is becoming my preferred method because of this</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">instant and permanent stability and better longevity. Better Longevity</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">means that I repin about every 3-4 years instead of every 2-3 years. It</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">may be even better than that because I'm at about 4 years since I</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">started using the method and some are still good!</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="min-height: 14px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><BR style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">Regards,</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">Jim Busby BYU</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>