<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <title>Re: [CAUT] Uniform Formal Education (Jeff Tanner)</title> </head> <body> <div align="left">No, but you look tanner...<br/><br/>David Ilvedson, RPT<br/>Pacifica, CA 94044<br/><br/> <div style="padding-right: 5px; padding-left: 5px; padding-bottom: 5px; border-left: #000000 3px solid; padding-top: 5px"> <hr/>Original message<br/>From: "Willem Blees" <wimblees@aol.com> </wimblees@aol.com><br/>To: caut@ptg.org<br/>Received: 10/23/2007 2:29:20 PM<br/>Subject: Re: [CAUT] Uniform Formal Education (Jeff Tanner)<br/><br/> <div align="left"><span contenteditable="false" style="display: inline-block"> </span>I'm not sure if I want to go back to the "good old boy" system of testing, but I do think we need to explore other testing options. </div> <div> </div> <div>As far as a test for CAUT. I wonder if perhaps we should look into developing a test we can give the school to see if they "qualifiy" to have a RPT CAUT on staff? Some schools don't know, or understand, what good maintenance is, and will look with disdain on those techs who want to improve the condition of pianos. (Do I sound bitter?) :)</div> <div><br/> </div> <div style="clear: both">Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT<br/>Piano Tuner/Technician<br/>Honolulu, HI<br/>Author of <br/>The Business of Piano Tuning<br/>available from Potter Press<br/>www.pianotuning.com</div> <div><br/></div>-----Original Message-----<br/>From: ITUNEPIANO@aol.com<br/>To: caut@ptg.org<br/>Sent: Tue, Oct 23 4:34 PM<br/>Subject: Re: [CAUT] Uniform Formal Education (Jeff Tanner)<br/><br/> <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_7adfa334-e79a-4c1e-a7b4-6daf7138eda2"><font id="role_document" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2"> <div>I can second Wim's comments  - 70% of my work is pitch raising up to 100 cents and leaving the piano in decent tune when finished.  The test doesn't cover that.  An ETD can set a better temperament than most 1st year tuners can aurally.  Many techs use an ETD to suppliment an aural tuning, and many more use an ETD to tune the entire piano.  I know many techs who do a great job with an ETD.   I spose there is an argument "what if the ETD breaks?"  Well, if I relied on an ETD to tune (which I don't), I'd carry a back up ETD with me, as I carry a back up tuning fork (ever lose a tuning fork?)....  Further, the tuning test takes an incredible amount of time to set the piano up, if a master tuning is done ....and common sense tells me that a master tuning done years ago (as was the case when I tested) would have been done when the voicing was different, harmonics were different, and was therefor no longer accurate.   Jus! t have an applicant tune the piano..... either it sounds good, or it doesn't.  Takes a few minutes to evaluate it, and the CTE's job would be a hell of a lot easier ......nothing against all the techs who worked hard to develop the current test, but you have to admit, it's very time consuming for a CTE to administer.  </div> <div> </div> <div><font lang="0" face="Arial" size="2">Bob Maret, RPT<br/>Piano Technician<br/></font></div></font><br/><br/><br/> <div><font style="font: 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF; color: black"> <hr style="margin-top: 10px"/>See what's new at <a title="http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170" href="http://www.aol.com/?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170" target="_blank">AOL.com</a> and <a title="http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169" href="http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169" target="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage</a>.</font> </div> </div> <div class="AOLPromoFooter"> <hr style="margin-top: 10px"/>Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free <a href="http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/index.htm?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000970" target="_blank">AOL Mail</a>!<br/> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>