<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Eric, Fred, Jim, Don and others of the CAUT committee:<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>First, I want to join in the applause for the committee. The tasks you've been charged with are daunting. I appreciate your interest and only ask that your passion be matched with a good dose of realism and practicality. If it isn't, I'm sure you know that you'll hear about it from the multitudes.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Like Dennis Johnson has stated, you've received a lot of input recently and so now you have to pull all of the comments together with your own ideas, and produce something workable. I must admit my preference lies with seeing some concrete movement in curriculum development rather than testing. But I'm not one to stand in the way of progress. Many of the major steps forward in PTG have come about because a dedicated member took it upon himself/herself to follow an idea to a solid product that can be put to use. Also I agree with Ed that consulting with programs that have worked is a good path to pursue. Successful university mentoring/teaching programs, manufacturers schools, and residence schools could all be valuable resources. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I've always felt that the CAUT committee was full of potential that had gone untapped. CAUT's are a talented group with access to quality pianos. Plans that reach out to that group will also reach out across the country to the very grassroots of PTG. I've always felt that as good as the convention is, it only reaches a limited number of people. For PTG as a whole to move forward, we need to find ways to get to the grassroots of the organization. If your efforts can address that problem, the impact will be greater. I would like to see programs that not only help CAUT's to improve/test their skills, but help CAUT's to educate/train students and apprentices in their own local communities. That's a tall order.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>And don't be in a hurry. Kent Swafford in his infinite wisdom once said to me that projects in PTG can take years to evolve, develop and mature. I have to agree with him. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>So in spite of what could be construed to be negative comments coming from lowly Nebraska, I support you guys. PTG will be better off because of your efforts and dedication. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Richard West</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Oct 29, 2007, at 8:34 AM, Ed Sutton wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="PlaceType" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="PlaceName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE><DIV><DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">Anne-</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">"Compete" was not a good word choice. I just wondered if the committee had considered your program in their deliberations. You might have an experienced view of the questions they are pondering.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">Ed</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE dir="ltr" style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">----- Original Message -----</SPAN></DIV><DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN><A title="agaree@admin.fsu.edu" href="mailto:agaree@admin.fsu.edu"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">Garee, Anne E.</SPAN></A><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></SPAN></DIV><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN><A title="caut@ptg.org" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">College and University Technicians</SPAN></A><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></SPAN></DIV><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Monday, October 29, 2007 8:36 AM</SPAN></DIV><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?</SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV class="Section1"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Fred, Ed, and All,</SPAN><O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">The two-year master’s program at </SPAN><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:PLACENAME w:st="on"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Florida</SPAN></ST1:PLACENAME><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN><ST1:PLACETYPE w:st="on"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">State</SPAN></ST1:PLACETYPE><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN><ST1:PLACETYPE w:st="on"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">University</SPAN></ST1:PLACETYPE></ST1:PLACE><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> is an unusually accelerated and intensive opportunity. It is one option in a field of rare opportunity for such training. Graduates leave with tools I wish I’d had when I started out thirty years ago. Not only are they equipped to fill university posts but can virtually go anywhere in the business and plug in successfully. I designed the program with as much openness and free exchange of ideas as possible as evidenced by our ever growing list of guest lecturers. I also hoped that other institutions and entities would be stimulated by our program to look into developing other opportunities. Any initiative that helps elevate and strengthen our field is worth investigating as collaborative, not competitive. </SPAN><O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Anne </SPAN><O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-size: 13.3333px; "><O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><DIV class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; " align="center"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; "></SPAN><HR tabindex="-1" align="center" width="100%" size="2"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><B style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; "><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">From:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> caut-bounces@ptg.org [<A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</A>] </SPAN><B style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of </SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Fred Sturm</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:23 PM</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">To:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> caut</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face="Verdana" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; ">On 10/27/07 12:34 PM, "Ed Sutton" <<A href="mailto:ed440@mindspring.com">ed440@mindspring.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">FSU is offering a Masters of Music in Piano Technology. I believe the program is intended to train people to work in a university, i.e. as "academically credentialed CAUTs". </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">How does the proposed CAUT credential compare to that curriculum? Will PTG be competing with an accredited program?</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Ed S.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face="Verdana" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; font-size: 16px; "><BR style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; ">Hi Ed,</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; "> I believe Ann Garee at FSU is set up to train a maximum of two masters candidates in piano technology per year, or maybe it is two students enrolled and one degree per year. A drop in the bucket, though a welcome drop. </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; "> At any rate, it is unlikely that she would consider what we a proposing as “competition.” She was very supportive of the caut endorsement concept when I spoke to her about it this past summer. There can be no question that a two year hands-on program with a mentor in a real life music department is far beyond anything we in PTG can produce in terms of training opportunities. </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; ">Regards,</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; ">Fred Sturm</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; "><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:PLACETYPE w:st="on"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; ">University</SPAN></ST1:PLACETYPE><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; "> of </SPAN><ST1:PLACENAME w:st="on"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; ">New Mexico</SPAN></ST1:PLACENAME></ST1:PLACE><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 16px; "></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>