<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">I have been following this discussion but haven't chimed in until now. As was pointed out recently, CAUT encompasses a wide variety of positions. My position at Iowa State University is a contract position that requires high level concert preparation and tuning for international orchestras, solo pianists, and touring chamber ensembles several times a year. Other than that I am asked to maintain approximately 30 aging Steinway grands (and 30 various uprights) in studios, on stages, and in practice rooms on a limited budget. I give advice about what I see as priorities and hope they can come up with the money to pay for what is needed. I am paid my rate for the work I provide. I have nothing to do with administration, budgeting, HVAC, or supervision. <DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I am asked to do the work at Iowa State University because, over the years, I have been able to consistently provide quality work on demand. I built up a level of trust over time. Although I haven't seen any data on hiring practices or types of contracts, I would guess that my situation is fairly typical of universities and colleges that don't have national level music programs. In my position, a CAUT credential as described by many on the list wouldn't be useful to me or Iowa State University. The musicians and concert venue managers that request my work and the administrators that agree to pay me do so because I provide the specific services at the level they require. From what I have seen on this list, every university has a different set of needs for the technician. Their best hiring process would be references, vita, and a trial over time prior to a long term contract. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>As a working technician, I would agree with the sentiments expressed by Richard West. I think PTG efforts would be best expended in creating training materials and providing training opportunities for CAUTS in all the areas where needs have been expressed in these discussions.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thomas Russell RPT</DIV><DIV>Iowa State University<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Nov 1, 2007, at 8:32 PM, <A href="mailto:caut-request@ptg.org">caut-request@ptg.org</A> wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Send caut mailing list submissions to</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN><A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN><A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN><A href="mailto:caut-request@ptg.org">caut-request@ptg.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">You can reach the person managing the list at</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN><A href="mailto:caut-owner@ptg.org">caut-owner@ptg.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">than "Re: Contents of caut digest..."</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Today's Topics:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>1. Re: CAUT credential vs. academic program? (<A href="mailto:ITUNEPIANO@aol.com">ITUNEPIANO@aol.com</A>)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>2. Re: CAUT credential vs. academic program? (Kent Swafford)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>3. Re: CAUT credential vs. academic program? (Jim Busby)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>4. Re: CAUT credential vs. academic program? (<A href="mailto:ITUNEPIANO@aol.com">ITUNEPIANO@aol.com</A>)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>5. Re: CAUT credential vs. academic program? (David Love)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>6. Re: CAUT credential vs. academic program? (David Love)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>7. Re: CAUT credential vs. academic program? (David Love)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 17px; "><B></B><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><A href="mailto:ITUNEPIANO@aol.com">ITUNEPIANO@aol.com</A></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; text-indent: -40px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">November 1, 2007 6:51:24 PM CDT</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 27px; text-indent: -27px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 61px; text-indent: -61px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><B>Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?</B></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 71px; text-indent: -71px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Reply-To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">College and University Technicians <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <FONT id="role_document" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2"> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 11/1/2007 6:16:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <A href="mailto:pwilliams4@unlnotes.unl.edu">pwilliams4@unlnotes.unl.edu</A> writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2"><FONT face="sans-serif" size="2">At the very least, we should understand musical nomenclature even if we can only play chopsticks. </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV></DIV>Sounds like musical nomenclature could be part of a caut class/written test. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT lang="0" face="Arial" size="2" family="SANSSERIF" ptsize="10">Bob Maret, RPT<BR>Piano Technician<BR></FONT></DIV></FONT><BR><BR><BR><DIV><FONT style="color: black; font: normal 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF;"><HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px">See what's new at <A title="http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170" href="http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170" target="_blank">AOL.com</A> and <A title="http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169" href="http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169" target="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage</A>.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 17px; "><B></B><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">Kent Swafford <<A href="mailto:kswafford@gmail.com">kswafford@gmail.com</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; text-indent: -40px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">November 1, 2007 6:46:46 PM CDT</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 27px; text-indent: -27px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">College and University Technicians <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 61px; text-indent: -61px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><B>Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?</B></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 71px; text-indent: -71px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Reply-To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">College and University Technicians <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR><DIV><DIV>On Nov 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, Jim Busby wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">This one sentence is what I want to comment on<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><U>“</U></SPAN></FONT><U><FONT size="2" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif">If an RPT/ CAUT is to be something "more desireable" than an RPT status, then different standards should be established”</SPAN></FONT></U><FONT size="2" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif">.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN> I don’t see the CAUT credential as something “more desirable” or higher, better than, etc. It seems to me like it’s just “different”, or “in addition to” RPT. My understanding of a “CAUT Credential” is that it will help CAUTs focus on things that non CAUTs may not need.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV>Sounds like a "specialty" to me. CAUTs are "specialists", aren't they?</DIV><DIV><BR class="webkit-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="webkit-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Kent</DIV><DIV><BR class="webkit-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 17px; "><B></B><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">Jim Busby <<A href="mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu">jim_busby@byu.edu</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; text-indent: -40px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">November 1, 2007 6:55:06 PM CDT</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 27px; text-indent: -27px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">College and University Technicians <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 61px; text-indent: -61px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><B>Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?</B></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 71px; text-indent: -71px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Reply-To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">College and University Technicians <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"> <DIV class="Section1"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Yes. Not “better”…specialists. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Jim<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> <HR size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><B><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> caut-bounces@ptg.org [<A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</A>] <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Kent Swafford<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, November 01, 2007 5:47 PM<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">To:</SPAN></B> <ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">College and University Technicians</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P> </DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt">On Nov 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, Jim Busby wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"><BR> <BR> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN class="apple-style-span"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><SPAN style="orphans: 2;text-align:auto;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px">This one sentence is what I want to comment on</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class="apple-converted-space"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class="apple-style-span"><U><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">“</SPAN></FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN class="apple-style-span"><U><FONT size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">If an RPT/ CAUT is to be something "more desireable" than an RPT status, then different standards should be established”</SPAN></FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN class="apple-style-span"><FONT size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class="apple-converted-space"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class="apple-style-span"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> I don’t see the CAUT credential as something “more desirable” or higher, better than, etc. It seems to me like it’s just “different”, or “in addition to” RPT. My understanding of a “CAUT Credential” is that it will help CAUTs focus on things that non CAUTs may not need.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P> </DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt">Sounds like a "specialty" to me. CAUTs are "specialists", aren't they?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt">Kent</SPAN></FONT></ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><O:P></O:P></P> </DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> </DIV> </O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 17px; "><B></B><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><A href="mailto:ITUNEPIANO@aol.com">ITUNEPIANO@aol.com</A></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; text-indent: -40px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">November 1, 2007 6:54:05 PM CDT</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 27px; text-indent: -27px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 61px; text-indent: -61px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><B>Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?</B></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 71px; text-indent: -71px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Reply-To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">College and University Technicians <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <FONT id="role_document" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2"> <DIV>Agree 100%, Jim</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT lang="0" face="Arial" size="2" family="SANSSERIF" ptsize="10">Bob Maret, RPT<BR>Piano Technician<BR></FONT></DIV></FONT><BR><BR><BR><DIV><FONT style="color: black; 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margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; text-indent: -40px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">November 1, 2007 7:40:17 PM CDT</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 27px; text-indent: -27px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">"'College and University Technicians'" <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 61px; text-indent: -61px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><B>Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?</B></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 71px; text-indent: -71px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Reply-To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">College and University Technicians <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <DIV class="Section1"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">While knowing how to play the piano certainly can’t hurt a piano technician, it’s not clear that it necessarily helps. Certainly being a pianist doesn’t make you a piano technician: how many pianists can’t tell you the difference between a hammer and a damper? Piano technicians will have different skill sets and levels of understanding the mechanics of a piano and you will find just as often excellent piano technicians who don’t play as you will piano technicians who play who aren’t very skilled technicians. The same is true for communicating. A skilled technician is in part, by my definition, one who is able to communicate effectively with the pianist whether it is about the difficulties of executing a rapid passage, the subtleties of voicing, or the quality of tone. Where a piano technician who doesn’t play is at somewhat of a disadvantage is that they can’t necessarily test out the performance aspect themselves. But how many piano technicians, even those who do play, really can push the piano to its limit. Playing the piano and working on the piano are not always the most compatible, especially in terms of the stresses put on the hands. </SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV><P><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; color:navy">David Love<BR> <A href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</A><BR> <A href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com">www.davidlovepianos.com</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT color="navy"><SPAN style="color:navy"> </SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">From:</SPAN></B> caut-bounces@ptg.org [<A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</A>] <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Paul T Williams<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:12 PM<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">To:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">College and University Technicians</SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"><BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?</SPAN></FONT></P><DIV style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left: .5in"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"><BR> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:sans-serif">Jeff,</SPAN></FONT> <BR> <BR> <FONT size="2" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif">Since we don't have a time machine to test that, then yes, it<I><SPAN style="font-style:italic"> is</SPAN></I> "impossible to measure" How do you know what to do if the pianist says " it's difficult to control the pedaling during the pianissimo section of the development in the second movement" or "the presto section of so and so's piece is nearly impossible to acheive"? This kind of musical knowledge is crucial to make the artist happy. Some musicians attempt to put things in layman's terms, but many don't. They do a lot of assuming that we understand their speak. On the other side, some musicians try to understand our lingo and many do, but most don't. The more education on both sides of the coin, the better the end result will be.</SPAN></FONT> <BR> <BR> <FONT size="2" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif">At the very least, we should understand musical nomenclature even if we can only play chopsticks. Diversity of learning involves both education <I><SPAN style="font-style:italic">and </SPAN></I>life experiences. Where do you/we draw the line? There is no "formula" to do this... Do you want a clear-cut solution? That too, is "impossible". What is your "perfect solution" , then? There is none, but we have to start with something. If an RPT/ CAUT is to be something "more desireable" than an RPT status, then different standards should be established. So, how would you determine what that is? Or, should we just go with the status-quo for universities to mearly know that RPT's have reached a great level of piano technology and leave the education learned elsewhere by the wayside?</SPAN></FONT> <BR> <FONT size="2" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif">Paul</SPAN></FONT> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </P> <TABLE class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;margin-left:.5in"> <TBODY><TR><TD width="39%" valign="top" style="width:39.98%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><P class="MsoNormal"><B><FONT size="1" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size: 7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;font-weight:bold">Jeff Tanner <<A href="mailto:jtanner@mozart.sc.edu">jtanner@mozart.sc.edu</A>></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size="1" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif"> </SPAN></FONT><BR> <FONT size="1" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif">Sent by: <A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</A></SPAN></FONT> </P><P><FONT size="1" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family: sans-serif">10/31/2007 01:11 PM</SPAN></FONT> </P> <TABLE class="MsoNormalTable" border="1" cellpadding="0"> <TBODY><TR><TD valign="top" bgcolor="white" style="background:white;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><P class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><FONT size="1" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif">Please respond to<BR> College and University Technicians <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></SPAN></FONT></P> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> </TD><TD width="58%" valign="top" style="width:58.98%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"> <TABLE class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%"> <TBODY><TR><TD valign="top" style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><P class="MsoNormal" align="right" style="text-align:right"><FONT size="1" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif">To</SPAN></FONT></P> </TD><TD valign="top" style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="1" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size: 7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif">College and University Technicians <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></SPAN></FONT> </P> </TD></TR><TR><TD valign="top" style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><P class="MsoNormal" align="right" style="text-align:right"><FONT size="1" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif">cc</SPAN></FONT></P> </TD><TD valign="top" style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><DIV><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> </TD></TR><TR><TD valign="top" style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><P class="MsoNormal" align="right" style="text-align:right"><FONT size="1" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif">Subject</SPAN></FONT></P> </TD><TD valign="top" style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="1" face="sans-serif"><SPAN style="font-size: 7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif">Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?</SPAN></FONT></P> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><DIV><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <TABLE class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0"> <TBODY><TR><TD valign="top" style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><DIV><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> </TD><TD valign="top" style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><DIV><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left: .5in"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 17px; "><B></B><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">"David Love" <<A href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; text-indent: -40px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">November 1, 2007 8:13:00 PM CDT</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 27px; text-indent: -27px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">"'College and University Technicians'" <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 61px; text-indent: -61px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><B>Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?</B></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 71px; text-indent: -71px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Reply-To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">College and University Technicians <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <DIV class="Section1"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">One problem I see in all this is that at all levels the requirements are different and it renders the classification somewhat meaningless—certainly for those of us on the inside. There are RPTs who took the tests some years ago and haven’t worked on a piano for ages, preferring now to spend their time as dealers. There are others who only do simple house call type work and then there are those who can build you a piano out of a pile of lumber and some scrap iron. There are those who manage rebuilding shops with many employees, inventories, buy and sell and do concert work and there are those who do nothing more than dealer service calls. Similarly, there are CAUT’s who manage all levels of inventory, rebuilding, purchasing and employees and others who simply do simple service work on demand. Unless you differentiate by some sort of subcategorizing method, adding various subtests like boy scout merit badges, a separate CAUT classification would be no more helpful in defining someone’s skills than the RPT classification. I don’t see that happening nor do I think it would be an easy thing to administer. </SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV><P><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; color:navy">David Love<BR> <A href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</A><BR> <A href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com">www.davidlovepianos.com</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT color="navy"><SPAN style="color:navy"> </SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">From:</SPAN></B> caut-bounces@ptg.org [<A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</A>] <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Kent Swafford<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:47 PM<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">To:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">College and University Technicians</SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"><BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?</SPAN></FONT></P><DIV style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt">On Nov 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, Jim Busby wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"><BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><SPAN class="apple-style-span"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy"><SPAN style="orphans: 2;text-align:auto;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px">This one sentence is what I want to comment on</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class="apple-converted-space"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class="apple-style-span"><U><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">“</SPAN></FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN class="apple-style-span"><U><FONT size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">If an RPT/ CAUT is to be something "more desireable" than an RPT status, then different standards should be established”</SPAN></FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN class="apple-style-span"><FONT size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class="apple-converted-space"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class="apple-style-span"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> I don’t see the CAUT credential as something “more desirable” or higher, better than, etc. It seems to me like it’s just “different”, or “in addition to” RPT. My understanding of a “CAUT Credential” is that it will help CAUTs focus on things that non CAUTs may not need.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> </DIV><DIV style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt">Sounds like a "specialty" to me. CAUTs are "specialists", aren't they?</SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> <DIV><DIV style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> </DIV> <DIV><DIV style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> </DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt">Kent</SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> <DIV><DIV style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> </DIV> </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 17px; "><B></B><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">"David Love" <<A href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; text-indent: -40px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">November 1, 2007 8:31:24 PM CDT</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 27px; text-indent: -27px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">"'College and University Technicians'" <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 61px; text-indent: -61px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><B>Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?</B></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 71px; text-indent: -71px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Reply-To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">College and University Technicians <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <DIV class="Section1"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I sent this off in a bit of a hurry and wanted to add that playing can actually hurt you as a technician—especially if you don’t really play that well. I’ve heard many technicians who can supposedly play but have a limited repertoire and one which they struggle to get through. One problem when you are struggling to play something is that you often don’t really hear it that well, you are too consumed with getting the notes under your fingers to pay close attention to what you are hearing. That can be a distraction. A non player who plays a few notes at a time listening carefully for tone, can test repetition with a two handed stroke, and who can assess balance by comparing in a simple way various sections of the piano may be better off than one who puts the piano to the test by a poorly played Chopin Polonaise. </SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV><P><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; color:navy">David Love<BR> <A href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</A><BR> <A href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com">www.davidlovepianos.com</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT color="navy"><SPAN style="color:navy"> </SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">From:</SPAN></B> caut-bounces@ptg.org [<A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</A>] <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>David Love<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Thursday, November 01, 2007</SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">5:40 PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"><BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">To:</SPAN></B> '</SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">College and University Technicians</SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">'<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?</SPAN></FONT></P><DIV style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">While knowing how to play the piano certainly can’t hurt a piano technician, it’s not clear that it necessarily helps. Certainly being a pianist doesn’t make you a piano technician: how many pianists can’t tell you the difference between a hammer and a damper? Piano technicians will have different skill sets and levels of understanding the mechanics of a piano and you will find just as often excellent piano technicians who don’t play as you will piano technicians who play who aren’t very skilled technicians. The same is true for communicating. A skilled technician is in part, by my definition, one who is able to communicate effectively with the pianist whether it is about the difficulties of executing a rapid passage, the subtleties of voicing, or the quality of tone. Where a piano technician who doesn’t play is at somewhat of a disadvantage is that they can’t necessarily test out the performance aspect themselves. But how many piano technicians, even those who do play, really can push the piano to its limit. Playing the piano and working on the piano are not always the most compatible, especially in terms of the stresses put on the hands. </SPAN></FONT></P><DIV style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV><P style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;color:navy">David Love<BR> <A href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</A><BR> <A href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com">www.davidlovepianos.com</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT color="navy"><SPAN style="color:navy"> </SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV><DIV style="margin-left: 1in; "><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">caut list info: <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>Thomas Russell RPT</DIV><DIV>Registered Piano Technician</DIV><DIV>1206 Michigan Ave.</DIV><DIV>Ames, IA 50014</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>515-268-1616</DIV><DIV><A href="mailto:trussellpiano@isunet.net">trussellpiano@isunet.net</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN> </DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>