<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Eric, your points are all well made. I suppose in part I have always resisted increasing buearaucracy. One other point to reiterate is much of what a CAUT is expected to do will be learned working in the field. It seems to me that tests trying to simulate real life situations could get at only a small subset of skills needed. To give a somewhat analogous university example, when faculty members go up for promotion or tenure their work over a period of time is evaluated by a committee of their peers and letters of recommendation are solicited from outside evaluators. Promotion (increased credential such as associate or full professor) is granted based on their demonstrated ability to do the job successfully. It seems to me that part of a credentialing procedure would need to be based on resume/vita and references from musicians/administrators that are familiar with the work of the applicant. Maybe this has been addressed already and I missed it. I hope I am not drawing out the discussion unnecessarily.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"><DIV><DIV><DIV>Thomas Russell RPT</DIV><DIV>Iowa State University</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Nov 2, 2007, at 1:38 PM, <A href="mailto:caut-request@ptg.org">caut-request@ptg.org</A> wrote:</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 17px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 44px; text-indent: -44px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">"Wolfley, Eric \(wolfleel\)" <<A href="mailto:WOLFLEEL@ucmail.uc.edu">WOLFLEEL@ucmail.uc.edu</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; text-indent: -40px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">November 2, 2007 1:38:48 PM CDT</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 27px; text-indent: -27px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">"College and University Technicians" <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 61px; text-indent: -61px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><B>Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential</B></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 71px; text-indent: -71px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Reply-To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">College and University Technicians <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="Street"> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="address"> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceType"> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceName"> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"> <DIV class="Section1"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy">Thomas,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy">A number of people have responded the way you have and I’ll do some chiming in here myself. I think we need to think beyond our selves on this issue. It sounds like you are doing a good job for <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:PLACENAME w:st="on">Iowa</ST1:PLACENAME> <ST1:PLACETYPE w:st="on">State</ST1:PLACETYPE></ST1:PLACE> and I assume they are paying you enough to make it worth your while. You’re right, a CAUT credential probably wouldn’t help you in your position unless Iowa State decided that they needed to do a national search for a full-time technician because the “aging inventory maintained on a limited budget” had deteriorated to a point where it needed some serious attention. Or perhaps the <I><SPAN style="font-style:italic">Guidelines</SPAN></I> might help you persuade them to spend more money contracting outside rebuilders to upgrade the inventory. You do have a lot to do with the budgeting. Charging your rate and identifying priorities defines and affects the piano maintenance budget. Also, what happens when you retire? Are there other technicians in <ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">Ames</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY> with your abilities willing to take over? How could one of them achieve a level of trust approaching that which you have built up over a number of years? This is all pure conjecture of course, but I’m sure situations exist where a credential might come in handy for both institution and technician. At this point in my career a CAUT credential wouldn’t be very useful to me either and I’m sure there are lots of other people out there who are secure and happy in their present positions thinking the same thing. If we look beyond ourselves and into the future though, I believe a CAUT curriculum and endorsement will be able to help a lot of technicians improve their lot and give them some tools to provide better service for institutions. It will hopefully help them get paid more too!<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy">Also, if you go back and follow the discussion closely you will see that the CAUT committee has been charged not only with developing an endorsement but also the curriculum and training opportunities to accompany it. We are actively doing this and if you attend the <ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">Anaheim</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY> institute next June you will find ample training opportunities for CAUTs.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy">Eric <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV><P><FONT size="3" color="red" face="Informal Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:" informal="" roman";color:red"="">Eric Wolfley, RPT</SPAN></FONT><FONT color="navy"><SPAN style="color:navy"> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color="red" face="Informal Roman"><SPAN style="font-family: " informal="" roman";color:red"="">Director of Piano Services</SPAN></FONT><FONT color="navy"><SPAN style="color:navy"> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color="red" face="Informal Roman"><SPAN style="font-family: " informal="" roman";color:red"="">Cincinnati College-Conservatory of <ST1:PLACENAME w:st="on">Music</ST1:PLACENAME></SPAN></FONT><FONT color="navy"><SPAN style="color:navy"> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><ST1:PLACETYPE w:st="on"><FONT color="red" face="Informal Roman"><SPAN style="font-family:" informal="" roman";color:red"="">University</SPAN></FONT></ST1:PLACETYPE><FONT color="red" face="Informal Roman"><SPAN style="font-family:" informal="" roman";="" color:red"=""> of <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:CITY w:st="on">Cincinnati</ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE></SPAN></FONT><FONT color="navy"><SPAN style="color:navy"> </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:center"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> <HR size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><B><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> caut-bounces@ptg.org [<A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</A>] <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Thomas Russell<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:38 PM<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A><BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P> </DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt">I have been following this discussion but haven't chimed in until now. As was pointed out recently, CAUT encompasses a wide variety of positions. My position at <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:PLACENAME w:st="on">Iowa</ST1:PLACENAME> <ST1:PLACETYPE w:st="on">State</ST1:PLACETYPE> <ST1:PLACETYPE w:st="on">University</ST1:PLACETYPE></ST1:PLACE> is a contract position that requires high level concert preparation and tuning for international orchestras, solo pianists, and touring chamber ensembles several times a year. Other than that I am asked to maintain approximately 30 aging Steinway grands (and 30 various uprights) in studios, on stages, and in practice rooms on a limited budget. I give advice about what I see as priorities and hope they can come up with the money to pay for what is needed. I am paid my rate for the work I provide. I have nothing to do with administration, budgeting, HVAC, or supervision. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt">I am asked to do the work at <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:PLACENAME w:st="on">Iowa</ST1:PLACENAME> <ST1:PLACETYPE w:st="on">State</ST1:PLACETYPE> <ST1:PLACETYPE w:st="on">University</ST1:PLACETYPE></ST1:PLACE> because, over the years, I have been able to consistently provide quality work on demand. I built up a level of trust over time. Although I haven't seen any data on hiring practices or types of contracts, I would guess that my situation is fairly typical of universities and colleges that don't have national level music programs. In my position, a CAUT credential as described by many on the list wouldn't be useful to me or <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:PLACENAME w:st="on">Iowa</ST1:PLACENAME> <ST1:PLACETYPE w:st="on">State</ST1:PLACETYPE> <ST1:PLACETYPE w:st="on">University</ST1:PLACETYPE></ST1:PLACE>. The musicians and concert venue managers that request my work and the administrators that agree to pay me do so because I provide the specific services at the level they require. From what I have seen on this list, every university has a different set of needs for the technician. Their best hiring process would be references, vita, and a trial over time prior to a long term contract. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt">As a working technician, I would agree with the sentiments expressed by Richard West. I think PTG efforts would be best expended in creating training materials and providing training opportunities for CAUTS in all the areas where needs have been expressed in these discussions.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> <DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN style=""><O:P style=""><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times New Roman" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"> </SPAN></FONT></O:P></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><BR></P></DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><O:P></O:P></P> </DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>