<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceName"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceType"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space;-khtml-line-break: after-white-space'> <div class=Section1> Hi Jeff,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I was mainly talking about RPT needing a time/experience requirement. You’re right about the supply/demand though. You get the best you can get… That being said even our elusive “CAUT Credential” should have some kind of time requirement IMO. I can’t see some green tech getting the credential with only one year in the business. But today I’m just blowing hot air. Pay me no mind…<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Regards,<o:p></o:p> Jim<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Tanner Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 1:27 PM To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName> Subject: Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div> On Nov 5, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Jim Busby wrote:<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p></o:p> Hi Les,<O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P><o:p></o:p> <O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> </O:P><o:p></o:p> This is why I always mention a “time period” and/or experience needed before one can even test for RPT. For example, before one can become a journeyman concrete finisher “3 years experience” must be verified, along with other tests and criteria. I’m always brushed aside when I make such statements. Seems like I could take most anyone with fairly good mental/tactile skills and get them to pass the test at 80% in a few weeks or months, if that is we focused on. Even though such a time line and or verification of experience would in no way guarantee skill it seems SOME time/experience should be expected.<O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P><o:p></o:p> <O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> </O:P><o:p></o:p> Regards,<O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P><o:p></o:p> Jim Busby BYU<o:p></o:p> </div> I think the amount of experience depends on the school and its needs and budget situation.  Some (maybe most?) departments would be the perfect place to get that 3 to 5 years of experience for someone who has completed either a residence tech school or even mentored Potter course.  For more prominent departments and conservatories there is no endorsement PTG could bestow that could replace 3 to 5 or more years of institutional experience and a really good list of musician/faculty references.<o:p></o:p> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> <div> The catch 22 is that most institutions are looking for that well-seasoned, highly referred veteran but the most salary they can offer is for that new guy just out of training or for the really good tech who just doesn't have much else going on at the moment.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Jeff<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div> Jeff Tanner, RPT<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">South Carolina</st1:PlaceName></st1:place><o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> </div> </body> </html>