<WBR>In addition to the time factor, I'm still pushing for the education. A college education is important not so much for the actual "knowledge" one gets, but from the discipline of learning: studying, research, time limits for term papers, taking tests, etc., etc.. Although you get some of that in high school, for the most part, the educational experience there is guided by your parents and teachers. But in college you have to do those things on your own. More or less, thinking and doing by the seat of your pants.<br> <br> <div style="CLEAR: both">Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT<br> Piano Tuner/Technician<br> Honolulu, HI<br> Author of <br> The Business of Piano Tuning<br> available from Potter Press<br> www.pianotuning.com</div> <br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: Jeff Tanner <jtanner@mozart.sc.edu><br> To: College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org><br> Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:14 am<br> Subject: Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?<br> <br> <div id=AOLMsgPart_2_d8b0fc57-d1aa-408d-8055-5d3929b682f0><br> <div> <div>On Nov 5, 2007, at 3:42 PM, Jim Busby wrote:</div> <BR class=Apple-interchange-newline> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,128); FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,128); FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Jeff,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,128); FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,128); FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,128); FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,128); FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was mainly talking about RPT needing a time/experience requirement.<br> </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></div> </SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE> <div>You're right.  I see that now.  Sorry bout that.  The hot air was in my head this time.</div> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,128); FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,128); FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You’re right about the supply/demand though. You get the best you can get… That being said even our elusive “CAUT Credential” should have some kind of time requirement IMO. I can’t see some green tech getting the credential with only one year in the business. But today I’m just blowing hot air. Pay me no mind…</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></div> </SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE> <div>I agree with that 100% as long as it would push salaries up.  If we're not going to somehow push to drive the salaries up with this "credential", then I think schools ought to get green techs for entry level money.  This endorsement should work both ways, not just for the school's advantage.</div> </div> <br> <div>Jeff</div> <br> <br> <div><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"> <div>Jeff Tanner, RPT</div> <div>University of South Carolina</div> <div><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></div> <BR class=Apple-interchange-newline></SPAN></div> <br> = </div> <div class="AOLPromoFooter"> <hr style="margin-top:10px;" /> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free <a href="http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/index.htm?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000970" target="_blank">AOL Mail</a>!<br/> </div>