<html> <head> <style> .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } </style> </head> <body class='hmmessage'> Yes, that's the non-fitted ones.  I bought the fitted ones first, but never could get them to feel quite right. (must be the hair that used to grow on top now appearing in other places...)   :-)   they are really hard now, so I've probably got the same "ear chemistry" issue that Dave does.   As to pulling out the 20's?  hmmmm.... yeah, sometimes I do, but most times not.  I think it depends on the clarity of the tone up there as well as the ambient noise.  Anyone else noticing that more schools seem to be set up with really loud heating/AC systems?   Ron Koval   <snip> >  > www.etymotic.com <<A href="http://www.etymotic.com/">http://www.etymotic.com</A>> >  I assume that you are referring to the ER-20 ETY model?  Did you find that you were pulling your old ones out as you got to the top octaves? > <hr />Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate. <a href='www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline' target='_new'>Join in!</a></body> </html>