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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Are you saying that if you see a train coming, you
don't jump until you feel it? ;-)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Perceptual modes are one thing, learning styles are
another.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I recognize that we have varying learning styles. I
come up almost equally strong on visual, auditory and kinesthetic.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But if I practice a skill thousands of times
relying on one of those modes for discernment, it becomes the dominant mode for
that skill. Take away that mode and my performance will drop
considerably.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed S.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=l-bartlett@sbcglobal.net
href="mailto:l-bartlett@sbcglobal.net">Leslie Bartlett</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=caut@ptg.org
href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">'College and University Technicians'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 17, 2008 10:48
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] Electronic Tuning
Preferences</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=523084702-18032008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>So what do you do with those of us who are
kinesthetically dominant? The visual is a confirmation of what I feel
and hear. It doesn't determine what I hear......</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=523084702-18032008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>\les bartlett</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</A>
[mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dave Davis<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Monday, March 17, 2008 9:44 AM<BR><B>To:</B> College and University
Technicians<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] Electronic Tuning
Preferences<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">We will
consider adding the info to the Chapter Tool Kit when your team has
something compiled. </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Dave
Davis, RPT, Chairman</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Chapter
Resources Committee<BR></DIV>
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Original Message ----<BR>From: Ed Sutton <ed440@mindspring.com><BR>To:
College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org><BR>Sent: Monday, March
17, 2008 6:47:39 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [CAUT] Electronic Tuning
Preferences<BR><BR>Someone on the Journal is.<BR>My experience and opinions
are similar to yours.<BR>Physiologically, our brains are "visually dominant,"
i.e. visual information <BR>overrides aural information, so I have the concern
that<BR>staring at a spinning display can make us less aurally sensitive, may
even <BR>prevent a beginner from learning exquisite aural
discernment.<BR>During his talk in Rochester, Askenfelt said "Sound is just a
boring fact. <BR>I'm only interested in what I can photograph or measure," and
later, in <BR>response to a question "I don't know, that's something that only
you tuners <BR>can hear."<BR>Could we also reach the day when tuners said "I
don't know, that's something <BR>only the old aural tuners used to hear. I've
looked at every note on your <BR>piano, and they all look
perfect."<BR>Besides, hearing is fun. I intend to hear as much as I can, as
long as I <BR>can.<BR>Ed S.<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From:
<<A href="mailto:rwest1@unl.edu"
ymailto="mailto:rwest1@unl.edu">rwest1@unl.edu</A>><BR>To: "College and
University Technicians" <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org"
ymailto="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>><BR>Sent: Monday, March 17,
2008 9:20 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [CAUT] Electronic Tuning
Preferences<BR><BR><BR>>I wonder if anyone on the exam committee and the
Journal is taking notes <BR>>on this topic. It will come up
repeatedly because newbies will always <BR>>wonder about the very
issues that have been raised in this thread. An <BR>>article
that outlines the aural/etd tuning controversy would be a good one
<BR>>for the Journal and should be put Chapter Toolkit so that
chapters have <BR>>ready access to information about some of the
issues. It would be good <BR>>for Associates to have in their exam
prep materials.<BR>><BR>> Secondly several years ago I made the
deliberate decision to be an aural <BR>> tuner just so that I
wouldn't lose the aural skill that I had worked so <BR>> hard to
master. For several years I went over to the "dark side" and
<BR>> tuned almost exclusively with the ETD. In one of those
epiphany moments <BR>> that I described in my last post, I realized
that the quality of my <BR>> tuning wasn't up to my old aural
standards. It wasn't a judgement <BR>> against the ETD; it was
a realization I wasn't paying attention to my <BR>> work. As I
started to wean myself away from a heavy reliance on the ETD, <BR>> I
realized that my aural skills had atrophied. So I decided that if
I <BR>> wanted to keep my aural skills at the highest level, I would
rely on my <BR>> ears rather than my eyes. Philosophically I decided
that because music <BR>> is primarily an aural phenomenon, access to
my brain should be via the <BR>> ears when tuning. My eyes are an
equally valid way of accessing my brain <BR>> for tuning purposes,
given the accuracy of ETD's, but music is not seen, <BR>> but
heard. Also maintaining a refined aural skill links me to all those
<BR>> folks who have tuned before me, and have explored all the various
<BR>> intellectual facets that make tuning an interesting mental as well as
<BR>> practical pursuit.<BR>><BR>> So I wouldn't call myself a hybrid
tuner any more. I use an ETD for <BR>> setting my A and for pitch
raises. Otherwise I gladly open myself to the <BR>>
satisfaction that aural tuning gives me as well as all the quirks and
<BR>> failures that exclusively aural tuning can engender.<BR>><BR>>
Richard West <BR><BR></DIV>
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