This hall is pretty good too and I think it seats around 700, but not positive....  Was your D a Baldwin or Steinway? Paul <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td width=40%>"Porritt, David" <dporritt@mail.smu.edu> Sent by: caut-bounces@ptg.org 04/16/2008 01:04 PM <table border> <tr valign=top> <td bgcolor=white> <div align=center>Please respond to College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org></div></table> <td width=59%> <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>To</div> <td>"College and University Technicians" <caut@ptg.org> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>cc</div> <td> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>Subject</div> <td>Re: [CAUT] Ronsen-Wurzen hammers</table> <table> <tr valign=top> <td> <td></table> </table> <tt>I've put these on a D in a 500 seat recital hall and have to voice them down a couple times a year.  Acoustically it's a pretty nice hall though. dp David M. Porritt, RPT dporritt@smu.edu -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Wolfley, Eric (wolfleel) Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:36 PM To: College and University Technicians Subject: Re: [CAUT] Ronsen-Wurzen hammers I've put a number of sets of Ronsen Wurtzen hammers on and I like them for our practice rooms but I've had an experience similar to Alan's. Without lacquer they seem to be missing something at all volumes, even for a practice room. At the minimum I'll soak them from the mid-tenor on up and often soak the whole set. You have to needle them back down after doing this of course but they then have a good strong core for a wider dynamic range. They sound nice after doing this plus I've found that if hammers are voiced too soft the kids just pound harder to get tone out of the piano. From my experience I can't imagine using these hammers "straight out of the box". That being said, I still like them a lot though I wouldn't put them on a performance piano. Eric Eric Wolfley, RPT Director of Piano Services College-Conservatory of Music University of Cincinnati -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Alan McCoy Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:41 PM To: College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Ronsen-Wurzen hammers Hi Paul, One thing that disturbs me about these hammers, at least on the pianos I have put them on, is that they never give me the "clang" that I want at a fff dynamic level. They are nicely made, don't require much prep, and give a warm, dark tone quality, but in my experience with a fff blow all you get is more volume without as much change in the partial mix as I want. I have ended up juicing every set. If I could get a set of S&S hammers that were completely unaltered at the factory (long uncoved, unarced tails), I would use Steinway hammers. I happen to like the sound I can get using lacquer, so I will  go back to using Ronsen Bacon hammers with lacquer. Having said this though, so as not to be misunderstood, I do not like a bright piano sound that you get from hard hammers. The only time I want clang is at the highest dynamic levels, so the pianist has to work to get it, as opposed to those pianos that are pingy from the getgo at a pp level. FWIW. Alan -- Alan McCoy, RPT Eastern Washington University amccoy@mail.ewu.edu 509-359-4627 509-999-9512 > From: Paul T Williams <pwilliams4@unlnotes.unl.edu> > Reply-To: "College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org>" <caut@ptg.org> > Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:01:13 -0500 > To: <caut@ptg.org> > Subject: [CAUT] Ronsen-Wurzen hammers > > Hi gang, > > This summer I'm rebuilding the action on our 1956 Baldwin D using Renner > shanks/flanges and wippens.  I'm also, per your previous reccommendations, > trying Ronsen-Wurzen hammers for the first time.  I have some time before > summer arrives to "prep" the parts, weigh off the shanks, check pinning, > etc.  My question is; What sort of pre-voicing should be done with these > hammers?  Do they require pre-filing, juicing, needling etc.?  They're > already bored, tapered and tails shaped nicely. > > Thanks for any input! > > Paul T. Williams RPT > Univ. of Nebraska </tt>