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I often translate this sort of language into "one can usually expect consistent complaints if the dip is noticeably less than .390" or greater than .420"". Or "we find our time better spent on other things if dip is already between .390 and .420".<div><br></div><div>The "pre-'84" "spec" was .390. Those "New York Improved" parts from the mid-80's spec'd at .420 for just a couple of years.</div><div><br></div><div>Note that blow is "typically" 1-7/8 for a D, 1-3/4 for the other sizes... Plus or minus 1/8 is not unusual. !</div><div><br></div><div>I'd recommend much thought and care go into changing original factory set-up. It can often be improved, but it is much easier to make everything worse by changing only one or two things. And most factory set-ups work better than most of the after-market setups that I see.</div><div><div><br></div><div>Doug Wood</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On May 22, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Jim Busby wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceType"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceName"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">I got the new S&S manual and it says .400. It also said something that surprised me, although I kind of though this all along;<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">“It should be noted that the key dip may vary within the suggested range of .390 to .420 inches for any Steinway grand piano…”<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Jim<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align: center; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>caut-bounces@ptg.org [<a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Paul T Williams<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:00 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:personname><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CAUT] caut Digest, Vol 1110, Issue 48</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br></span></font><font size="2" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">Hi Richard,</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><font size="2" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">I think the key-dip on a D should be more like .390". </span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><font size="2" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">Try that.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><font size="2" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">Paul</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width: 100%; "><tbody><tr><td width="40%" valign="top" style="width: 40%; padding-top: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font size="1" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; font-weight: bold; ">"Richard Adkins" <<a href="mailto:RADKINS@coe.edu">RADKINS@coe.edu</a>></span></font></b><font size="1" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font><br><font size="1" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">Sent by: <a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="1" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">05/22/2008 02:52 PM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="1" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" bgcolor="white" style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: white; padding-top: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; background-position: initial initial; "><div style="text-align: center; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="1" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">Please respond to<br><st1:personname w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:personname><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></div></td></tr></tbody></table><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></td><td width="59%" valign="top" style="width: 59%; padding-top: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; "><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width: 100%; "><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-top: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; "><div style="text-align: right; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="1" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">To</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding-top: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="1" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; "><<a href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></div></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-top: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; "><div style="text-align: right; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="1" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">cc</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding-top: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-top: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; "><div style="text-align: right; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="1" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">Subject</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding-top: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="1" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">Re: [CAUT] caut Digest, Vol 1110, Issue 48</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-top: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding-top: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br><br><br>I have a new bag of PU-12W Wurzen "Tapered" Front Rail Punchings I got from Piano Tech. I plan<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>to try them on a S&S D this summer. You can tell the correct orientation, as some thoughtful<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>person has put a nice black line on the side that goes bottom down. But it is easy to see on the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>bench, which is which.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>On this S&S D w/.400" key dip, the jack touches the felt in the jack (fly) window. I'll be checking the entire<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>action geometry. Perhaps it could use a shallower dip, but I don't want to compromise there if I don't have<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>to. This is a 1940 vintage. Perhaps key dip was shallower?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>String height:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Note 62 is post on at 7 5/8"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> 36 is 7 3/4 (natural crown?)...I've seen the string height drop dramatically here in winter!<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> 1-20 are about 8" (from the middle of the string diameter)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>These problems have been discussed this past year, giving me the urge to revisit this action<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>and try to improve it. I did raise up the rear of the stack some a few years ago, but maybe<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>not enough. The distance from the shank to rest felt was way, way to large.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Thanks to the kind souls on this list for publishing Mike Mohr's forefinishing notes.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Anyhow, I need to do some more head scratchin'....take a lot of measurements again.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>I'm hoping the Wurzen felts will help too!<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">Richard</st1:placename><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:placename w:st="on">Adkins</st1:placename><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><st1:placename w:st="on">Coe</st1:placename><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:placetype w:st="on">College</st1:placetype></st1:place><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>