<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> I   was on the moving crew at the Chicago convention at which one of the crew was an adamant supporter of moving on the lyre. "Never had a problem"........................   So he was in charge of the move of the M&H and we watched while the lyre simply disintegrated under the weight  of the piano.  I've done a few lyre moves myself, but there's a trick i use. A "chinning bar" which screws out to fit into a doorway can be wedged in between the lyre and the treble leg, thus putting almost all the stress on the bar rather than the lyre.  However, I think the M&H would still have collapsed.  It was a fragile lyre for a very heavy piano. les bartlett houston Elwood Doss wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:6F692813E2221C42B90DA62B4021FBD002160991@EXVS1.utm.edu" type="cite"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; "> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)">  <title>Message</title> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="Street"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="address"><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceName"><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceType"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName">  <style>  </style></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType> <div class="Section1"> Thanks for including the info on the 52nd Annual Convention.  Hopefully my wife and I can attend.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> A lot of professional piano movers use the lyre to swing the grand piano to the dolly.  I cringe every time I see it, but it evidently works for them.  I like the piano horse and jack-in-the-box myself.<o:p></o:p> Joy!<o:p></o:p> Elwood<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Elwood Doss</st1:PersonName>, Jr., M.M.E., RPT<o:p></o:p> Piano Technician/Technical Director<o:p></o:p> Department of Music<o:p></o:p> 145 Fine Arts Building<o:p></o:p> The <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Tennessee</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> at Martin<o:p></o:p> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Martin</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">TN</st1:State>  <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">38238</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><o:p></o:p> 731/881-1852<o:p></o:p> FAX: 731/881-7415<o:p></o:p> HOME: 731/587-5700<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"> <hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"></div> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ward & Probst, Inc Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:00 PM To: '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName>' Subject: Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> PW,<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Many movers regularly turn grands on the lyre without problems. I don't because we have the Horse and it seems safer to me. Gordon Crail, who invented the Horse, is a friend and we have a prototype that has been used for years in the shop and on the road. He suggests, blocking the tail end of the dolly up, using a person to counter balance the key end, and using a lift strap. Doing this saves a lot of strain, as about half of the lift is done. I don't have pics of the skids but the GC is sort of like what we have. We have fixed wheels in the center and swivel wheels at each end. <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I enjoyed the Annual and it seemed to me that most everyone else did. The facility was good and the Institute and Home Office staff had every thing running smoothly. Next year it will be in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Grand Rapids</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">MI</st1:State></st1:place> at the Amway Grand Hotel which looks like one of the best venues yet.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> DP <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> July 15, 2009--July 19, 2009<o:p></o:p> <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"> 52ND ANNUAL CONVENTION Amway Grand Hotel <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Grand Rapids</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">MI</st1:State></st1:place> Contact: Sandy Roady <st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">4444 Forest Avenue</st1:Street>, <st1:City w:st="on">Kansas City</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">KS</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">66106</st1:PostalCode></st1:address> Phone: 913-432-9975 Fax: 913-432-9986<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 5pt;">  <o:p></o:p>  -----Original Message----- From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Paul T Williams Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:17 PM To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName> Subject: Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff<o:p></o:p> I NEVER use the lyre for tilting.  Who does such a horrible thing?  How would one combine the two?  I'm trying to visualize  getting the lifting of the back end of the grand away for getting a dolly under....  Sure would save some backs!!! pw ps Thanks.  I think I may get a Horse for myself here in the shop..  It looks real good.  any pics of your shop built thing? How was natonal? pw <o:p></o:p> <table class="MsoNormalTable" style="width: 100%;" border="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 40%;" valign="top" width="40%"> "Ward & Probst, Inc" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wardprobst@wardprobst.com"><wardprobst@wardprobst.com></a> Sent by: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a> <o:p></o:p> 06/25/2008 02:34 PM <o:p></o:p> <table class="MsoNormalTable" border="1" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" bgcolor="white" valign="top"> Please respond to <st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org"><caut@ptg.org></a><o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 59%;" valign="top" width="59%"> <table class="MsoNormalTable" style="width: 100%;" border="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="padding: 0.75pt;" valign="top"> To<o:p></o:p> </td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt;" valign="top"> "'<st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName>'" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org"><caut@ptg.org></a> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="padding: 0.75pt;" valign="top"> cc<o:p></o:p> </td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt;" valign="top"> <o:p> </o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="padding: 0.75pt;" valign="top"> Subject<o:p></o:p> </td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt;" valign="top"> Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <o:p> </o:p> <table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="padding: 0.75pt;" valign="top"> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style="padding: 0.75pt;" valign="top"> <o:p> </o:p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> Hi Paul,   Use the Horse all the time and love it. The only problem may be combining the two. It looks like the Grand Chariot <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.premiermovingequipment.com/">http://www.premiermovingequipment.com/</a> may be raised off the ground a bit and the Horse is designed to take the piano to the ground. I use something similar to the GC that is shop built and it requires more care to use it in combination with the Horse. Looks like the GC is designed for those who use the lyre for turning.   DP Dale Probst, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">RPT</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Midwestern</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> -----Original Message----- From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Paul T Williams Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:28 PM To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</a> Subject: [CAUT] piano moving stuff Hi all I hope your time in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Anaheim</st1:place></st1:City> was good for all! We have a professor here who is going to be "on the road" with her Yamaha C-7 this fall.  she asked me about piano moving stuff and mentioned the piano horse (janssen) and something called a "grand chariot"  which looks more like a skidboard with wheels. Have any of you used these things?  Are they worth the money? (she has a grant to buy said items)  Anything better out there? Thanks in advance Paul <o:p></o:p> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </body> </html>