<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=US-ASCII"> <TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16674" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=031074321-25062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>PW,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=031074321-25062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=031074321-25062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Many movers regularly turn grands on the lyre without problems. I don't because we have the Horse and it seems safer to me. Gordon Crail, who invented the Horse, is a friend and we have a prototype that has been used for years in the shop and on the road. He suggests, blocking the tail end of the dolly up, using a person to counter balance the key end, and using a lift strap. Doing this saves a lot of strain, as about half of the lift is done. I don't have pics of the skids but the GC is sort of like what we have. We have fixed wheels in the center and swivel wheels at each end. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=031074321-25062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I enjoyed the Annual and it seemed to me that most everyone else did. The facility was good and the Institute and Home Office staff had every thing running smoothly. Next year it will be in Grand Rapids, MI at the Amway Grand Hotel which looks like one of the best venues yet.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=031074321-25062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>DP</FONT> </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=031074321-25062008> <P>July 15, 2009--July 19, 2009<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE class=basic>52ND ANNUAL CONVENTION<BR>Amway Grand Hotel<BR>Grand Rapids, MI<BR>Contact: Sandy Roady<BR>4444 Forest Avenue, Kansas City, KS 66106<BR>Phone: 913-432-9975<BR>Fax: 913-432-9986</BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=031074321-25062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=031074321-25062008> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Paul T Williams<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:17 PM<BR><B>To:</B> College and University Technicians<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>I NEVER use the lyre for tilting.  Who does such a horrible thing?  How would one combine the two?  I'm trying to visualize  getting the lifting of the back end of the grand away for getting a dolly under....  Sure would save some backs!!!</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>pw</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>ps Thanks.  I think I may get a Horse for myself here in the shop..  It looks real good.  any pics of your shop built thing?</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>How was natonal?</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>pw</FONT> <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD width="40%"><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>"Ward & Probst, Inc" <wardprobst@wardprobst.com></B> </FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Sent by: caut-bounces@ptg.org</FONT> <P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>06/25/2008 02:34 PM</FONT> <TABLE border=1> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD bgColor=white> <DIV align=center><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Please respond to<BR>College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org></FONT></DIV></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></P> <TD width="59%"> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>To</FONT></DIV> <TD><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>"'College and University Technicians'" <caut@ptg.org></FONT> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>cc</FONT></DIV> <TD> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Subject</FONT></DIV> <TD><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR> <TABLE> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>Hi Paul,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>Use the Horse all the time and love it. The only problem may be combining the two. It looks like the Grand Chariot </FONT><A href="http://www.premiermovingequipment.com/"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><U>http://www.premiermovingequipment.com/</U></FONT></A><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2> may be raised off the ground a bit and the Horse is designed to take the piano to the ground. I use something similar to the GC that is shop built and it requires more care to use it in combination with the Horse. Looks like the GC is designed for those who use the lyre for turning.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>DP</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dale Probst, RPT</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Midwestern State University</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<B><BR>From:</B> caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Paul T Williams<B><BR>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:28 PM<B><BR>To:</B> caut@ptg.org<B><BR>Subject:</B> [CAUT] piano moving stuff<BR></FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Hi all</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>I hope your time in Anaheim was good for all!</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>We have a professor here who is going to be "on the road" with her Yamaha C-7 this fall.  she asked me about piano moving stuff and mentioned the piano horse (janssen) and something called a "grand chariot"  which looks more like a skidboard with wheels.</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Have any of you used these things?  Are they worth the money? (she has a grant to buy said items)  Anything better out there?</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Thanks in advance</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Paul</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>