<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Ed,<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Sounds like a great idea. Photos?<br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Regards,</div><div>Fred Sturm</div><div>University of New Mexico</div><div><a href="mailto:fssturm@unm.edu">fssturm@unm.edu</a></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On Jun 26, 2008, at 11:31 AM, Ed Sutton wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="EN-US" vlink="blue" link="blue" bgcolor="#ffffff"><o:smarttagtype name="PlaceType" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype name="PlaceName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype name="Street" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype name="PostalCode" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype name="address" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype name="State" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:smarttagtype><div><font face="Arial" size="2">List,</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">For turning small pianos in tight spaces, make a "T" of 2 x 4's, reinforced with plywood plates. The leg should be about the length of the lyre.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">Remove the lyre and screw the T to the keybed, or also remove the action and clamp the T along the front of the keybed. Unlike the horse, it will turn the piano "in place." If you're tipping onto blocks or a raised skid board, attach the T a little bit off center to the bass side and the piano will land comfortably balanced for the "up lift."</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">Ed Sutton</font></div><blockquote dir="ltr" style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-position: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="jim_busby@byu.edu" href="mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Jim Busby</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="caut@ptg.org" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">College and University Technicians</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:18 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff</div><div><br></div><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">List,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">In very small practice rooms sometimes moving on the lyre is the only way. The main problem with this practice is the loosening of lyre wedges, etc. and so you must always check the integrity of the lyre. One of the best movers in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:state w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Utah</st1:place></st1:state><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>always uses the lyre and claims 40 years of “no problems”. I have a horse. Love it, sometimes…<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">Jim Busby<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align: center; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr tabindex="-1" align="center" width="100%" size="2"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Ward & Probst, Inc<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:00 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'<st1:personname w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:personname>'<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Arial" color="blue" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial; ">PW,</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Arial" color="blue" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial; ">Many movers regularly turn grands on the lyre without problems. I don't because we have the Horse and it seems safer to me. Gordon Crail, who invented the Horse, is a friend and we have a prototype that has been used for years in the shop and on the road. He suggests, blocking the tail end of the dolly up, using a person to counter balance the key end, and using a lift strap. Doing this saves a lot of strain, as about half of the lift is done. I don't have pics of the skids but the GC is sort of like what we have. We have fixed wheels in the center and swivel wheels at each end. </span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Arial" color="blue" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial; ">I enjoyed the Annual and it seemed to me that most everyone else did. The facility was good and the Institute and Home Office staff had every thing running smoothly. Next year it will be in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Grand Rapids</st1:city>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:state w:st="on">MI</st1:state></st1:place><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>at the Amway Grand Hotel which looks like one of the best venues yet.</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Arial" color="blue" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial; ">DP</span></font> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">July 15, 2009--July 19, 2009<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">52ND ANNUAL CONVENTION<br>Amway Grand Hotel<br><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Grand Rapids</st1:city>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:state w:st="on">MI</st1:state></st1:place><br>Contact: Sandy Roady<br><st1:address w:st="on"><st1:street w:st="on">4444 Forest Avenue</st1:street>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:city w:st="on">Kansas City</st1:city>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:state w:st="on">KS</st1:state><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:postalcode w:st="on">66106</st1:postalcode></st1:address><br>Phone: 913-432-9975<br>Fax: 913-432-9986<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-right: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Arial" color="blue" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "> -----Original Message-----<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Paul T Williams<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:17 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:personname><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br></span></font><font face="sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">I NEVER use the lyre for tilting. Who does such a horrible thing? How would one combine the two? I'm trying to visualize getting the lifting of the back end of the grand away for getting a dolly under.... Sure would save some backs!!!</span></font><br><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">pw</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">ps Thanks. I think I may get a Horse for myself here in the shop.. It looks real good. any pics of your shop built thing?</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">How was natonal?</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">pw</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" cellpadding="0" width="100%" border="0" style="width: 100%; "><tbody><tr><td valign="top" width="40%" style="padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; width: 40%; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font face="sans-serif" size="1"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">"Ward & Probst, Inc" <<a href="mailto:wardprobst@wardprobst.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">wardprobst@wardprobst.com</a>></span></font></b><font face="sans-serif" size="1"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font><br><font face="sans-serif" size="1"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">Sent by:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="sans-serif" size="1"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">06/25/2008 02:34 PM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><table class="MsoNormalTable" cellpadding="0" border="1"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" bgcolor="white" style="padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: white; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; background-position: initial initial; "><div style="text-align: center; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="sans-serif" size="1"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">Please respond to<br><st1:personname w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:personname><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:caut@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">caut@ptg.org</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></div></td></tr></tbody></table><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></td><td valign="top" width="59%" style="padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; width: 59%; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><table class="MsoNormalTable" cellpadding="0" width="100%" border="0" style="width: 100%; "><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="text-align: right; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="sans-serif" size="1"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">To</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="sans-serif" size="1"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">"'<st1:personname w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:personname>'" <<a href="mailto:caut@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">caut@ptg.org</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></div></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="text-align: right; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="sans-serif" size="1"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">cc</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="text-align: right; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="sans-serif" size="1"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">Subject</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="sans-serif" size="1"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br><br><br></span></font><font face="Arial" color="blue" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial; ">Hi Paul,</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><font face="Arial" color="blue" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial; ">Use the Horse all the time and love it. The only problem may be combining the two. It looks like the Grand Chariot</span></font><a href="http://www.premiermovingequipment.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">http://www.premiermovingequipment.com/</span></font></a><font face="Arial" color="blue" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>may be raised off the ground a bit and the Horse is designed to take the piano to the ground. I use something similar to the GC that is shop built and it requires more care to use it in combination with the Horse. Looks like the GC is designed for those who use the lyre for turning.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><font face="Arial" color="blue" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial; ">DP</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Dale Probst,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">RPT</st1:placename><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></span></font><st1:placename w:st="on">Midwestern</st1:placename><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:placetype w:st="on">State</st1:placetype><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:placetype w:st="on">University</st1:placetype></st1:place></span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">-----Original Message-----<b><span style="font-weight: bold; "><br>From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Paul T Williams<b><span style="font-weight: bold; "><br>Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:28 PM<b><span style="font-weight: bold; "><br>To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:caut@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">caut@ptg.org</a><b><span style="font-weight: bold; "><br>Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[CAUT] piano moving stuff<br></span></font><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; "><br>Hi all</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; "><br>I hope your time in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Anaheim</st1:place></st1:city><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>was good for all!</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; "><br>We have a professor here who is going to be "on the road" with her Yamaha C-7 this fall. she asked me about piano moving stuff and mentioned the piano horse (janssen) and something called a "grand chariot" which looks more like a skidboard with wheels.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; "><br>Have any of you used these things? Are they worth the money? (she has a grant to buy said items) Anything better out there?</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; "><br>Thanks in advance</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; "><br>Paul</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>