Thanks Ken. This sounds like a good idea.  I may get this set up for myself here in the shop. You mention that the piano horse rolls up the ramp.Could you clarify this part of it?  I didn't see the horse having wheels on Jannsen's web site.    It looks like it just lowers down on a skid-board and then you would still need to lift up one end to get a dolly under it. Paul <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td width=40%>Ken Zahringer <ZahringerK@missouri.edu> Sent by: caut-bounces@ptg.org 06/26/2008 12:07 PM <table border> <tr valign=top> <td bgcolor=white> <div align=center>Please respond to College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org></div></table> <td width=59%> <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>To</div> <td>College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>cc</div> <td> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>Subject</div> <td>Re: [CAUT] piano moving stuff</table> <table> <tr valign=top> <td> <td></table> </table> Hey, Paul, I have both of those items here and I love them.  We bought them a few years ago when we got tired of what the movers were charging.  Now we do almost all our piano moving in house.  The Wind Ensemble has a Steinway M that they use for most concerts in the percussion section.  Their practice room and concert venue are in different buildings.  I pack it up completely by myself; I only get help from one of the grad students to get it up the ramp into the truck.  I don’t think I would move a C7 without a helper, though. The piano horse and the grand chariot are great pieces of equipment, but they were not designed to work together.  You will need to make a ramp so the horse will roll up it to the platform level of the chariot.  Otherwise the piano sets down onto the platform too early, and you have to use brute force to lift the piano from about 30-40 degrees on up to vertical.  Not fun.  Some pictures of my ramp are attached.  The ramp is the same height as the chariot platform, 9 3/4”.  The ramp length is 34”, which is the length of the curved part of the horse, less 3” to set the piano down at the right spot.  That makes the base of the ramp 32 1/2”.  Note that the bottom cross brace at the high end is set in, to clear the chariot wheel.  The frame is square tubular steel, the same stuff the horse is made of.  The top surface is 3/4” plywood.  A decent welder can make it in a couple of hours.  I use a jack-in-a-box (actually a jack-on-a-post that I made) to lift the bass leg to get the piano on the horse.  After using them for 2-3 years, I would never go back to the old school ways. You might also want to check out <a href=http://www.holzter.com/>http://www.holzter.com/</a> for their grand pads and leg/lyre carriers.  Pretty cool stuff. Regards, Ken Z. On 6/25/08 12:27 PM, "Paul T Williams" <pwilliams4@unlnotes.unl.edu> wrote: Hi all I hope your time in Anaheim was good for all! We have a professor here who is going to be "on the road" with her Yamaha C-7 this fall.  she asked me about piano moving stuff and mentioned the piano horse (janssen) and something called a "grand chariot"  which looks more like a skidboard with wheels. Have any of you used these things?  Are they worth the money? (she has a grant to buy said items)  Anything better out there? Thanks in advance Paul -- Ken Zahringer, RPT University of Missouri School of Music