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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>List,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For turning small pianos in tight spaces, make a
"T" of 2 x 4's, reinforced with plywood plates. The leg should be about the
length of the lyre.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Remove the lyre and screw the T to the keybed, or
also remove the action and clamp the T along the front of the keybed. Unlike the
horse, it will turn the piano "in place." If you're tipping onto blocks or a
raised skid board, attach the T a little bit off center to the bass side and the
piano will land comfortably balanced for the "up lift."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed Sutton</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jim_busby@byu.edu href="mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu">Jim Busby</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=caut@ptg.org
href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and University Technicians</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:18
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] piano moving
stuff</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In very small
practice rooms sometimes moving on the lyre is the only way. The main problem
with this practice is the loosening of lyre wedges, etc. and so you must
always check the integrity of the lyre. One of the best movers in <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Utah</st1:place></st1:State> always uses the
lyre and claims 40 years of “no problems”. I have a horse. Love it,
sometimes…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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Busby<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ward & Probst,
Inc<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, June 25,
2008 4:00 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
'<st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University
Technicians</st1:PersonName>'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [CAUT] piano moving
stuff</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Many movers regularly
turn grands on the lyre without problems. I don't because we have the Horse
and it seems safer to me. Gordon Crail, who invented the Horse, is a
friend and we have a prototype that has been used for years in the shop and on
the road. He suggests, blocking the tail end of the dolly up, using a
person to counter balance the key end, and using a lift strap. Doing
this saves a lot of strain, as about half of the lift is done. I
don't have pics of the skids but the GC is sort of like what we
have. We have fixed wheels in the center and swivel wheels at each
end. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I enjoyed the
Annual and it seemed to me that most everyone else did. The
facility was good and the Institute and Home Office staff had every thing
running smoothly. Next year it will be in <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Grand Rapids</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">MI</st1:State></st1:place> at the Amway Grand Hotel which
looks like one of the best venues yet.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">DP</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">July 15,
2009--July 19, 2009<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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Hotel<BR><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Grand Rapids</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">MI</st1:State></st1:place><BR>Contact: Sandy
Roady<BR><st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">4444 Forest
Avenue</st1:Street>, <st1:City w:st="on">Kansas City</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">KS</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode
w:st="on">66106</st1:PostalCode></st1:address><BR>Phone:
913-432-9975<BR>Fax:
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> -----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Paul T
Williams<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday,
June 25, 2008 4:17 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University
Technicians</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [CAUT] piano moving
stuff<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">I NEVER use
the lyre for tilting. Who does such a horrible thing? How would
one combine the two? I'm trying to visualize getting the lifting
of the back end of the grand away for getting a dolly under.... Sure
would save some backs!!!</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">pw</SPAN></FONT>
<BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">ps Thanks. I think I
may get a Horse for myself here in the shop.. It looks real good.
any pics of your shop built thing?</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">How was
natonal?</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi
Paul,</SPAN></FONT> <BR> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Use the Horse all
the time and love it. The only problem may be combining the two. It looks
like the Grand Chariot </SPAN></FONT><A
href="http://www.premiermovingequipment.com/"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">http://www.premiermovingequipment.com/</SPAN></FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> may be raised off
the ground a bit and the Horse is designed to take the piano to the ground.
I use something similar to the GC that is shop built and it requires more
care to use it in combination with the Horse. Looks like the GC is designed
for those who use the lyre for turning.</SPAN></FONT> <BR> <BR><FONT
face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">DP</SPAN></FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dale Probst, <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">RPT</st1:PlaceName><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">
<BR></SPAN></FONT><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Midwestern</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType></st1:place></SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><BR>From:</SPAN></B>
caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Paul T Williams<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><BR>Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, June 25, 2008
12:28 PM<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><BR>To:</SPAN></B>
caut@ptg.org<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><BR>Subject:</SPAN></B>
[CAUT] piano moving stuff<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif"><BR>Hi
all</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif"><BR>I hope your time in
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Anaheim</st1:place></st1:City> was
good for all!</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif"><BR>We have a professor
here who is going to be "on the road" with her Yamaha C-7 this fall.
she asked me about piano moving stuff and mentioned the piano horse
(janssen) and something called a "grand chariot" which looks more like
a skidboard with wheels.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif"><BR>Have any
of you used these things? Are they worth the money? (she has a grant
to buy said items) Anything better out there?</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif"><BR>Thanks in
advance</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif"><BR>Paul</SPAN></FONT>
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