<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16681" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Helvetica; } @font-face { font-family: Cambria Math; } @font-face { font-family: Calibri; } @font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } SPAN.apple-tab-span { mso-style-name: apple-tab-span } SPAN.apple-style-span { mso-style-name: apple-style-span } SPAN.apple-converted-space { mso-style-name: apple-converted-space } SPAN.EmailStyle21 { COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-style-type: personal-reply } .MsoChpDefault { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-style-type: export-only } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space" vLink=purple link=blue bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do know the Steinway stringing felt bundles come with adhesive backed cloth.  It's pricey, but its also precut for each model.  Saves a lot of time.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jeff</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dporritt@mail.smu.edu href="mailto:dporritt@mail.smu.edu">Porritt, David</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and University Technicians</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:38 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] Tuning Pin Questions, self adhesive nameboard felt</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">I can’t really say that it was “nameboard felt” but it was felt with self stick something attached.  All of the bushings came off cleanly with no felt or glue left on the button and the felt that came off had a definite layer or …..I don’t know how to describe it but it was remarkably like any self stick product.  When I do the other M that we got at the same time I’ll pay more attention to it.  Of course I’m sure it came out of the Kluge plant.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">dave<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">David M. Porritt, RPT<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><A href="dporritt@smu.edu"><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">dporritt@smu.edu</SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Fred Sturm<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:54 AM<BR><B>To:</B> College and University Technicians<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] Tuning Pin Questions, self adhesive nameboard felt<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal>Hi Dave,<o:p></o:p></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-tab-span>            </SPAN>This sounds very strange. I have a 3-4 year old M at UNM, and it has normal key bushings. I think that in manufacture of key buttons, they tend to use a cloth with heat sensitive glue pre-applied, and then heated cauls activate the glue. If there was a malfunction where the cauls weren't hot enough, or not given enough time, maybe you'd get something similar to what you describe, a cloth with a fairly thick glue "backing" sitting in the key button mortise. Except that the material would be felted cloth, not the nameboard stuff, which isn't woven and isn't very dense. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-tab-span>            </SPAN>Could this be the case? I simply can't imagine any piano (or key button) manufacturer using self adhesive nameboard felt in this application. Well, I guess I can imagine it, but it seems pretty unlikely.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'">Regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'">Fred Sturm<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'">University of New Mexico<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'"><A href="mailto:fssturm@unm.edu">fssturm@unm.edu</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>On Jul 9, 2008, at 4:56 AM, Porritt, David wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">These were the original factory bushings.  Same self-stick felt on all buttons though the guide rail bushings were “normal”.  This piano is in a practice room for piano majors.  Four years is not unusual to need bushings in that case.  Those pianos are played long and hard – especially hard!  We have another M purchased at the same time but I haven’t rebushed that one yet.  I’m sure I will soon.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">dp</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">David M. Porritt, RPT</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><A href="dporritt@smu.edu">dporritt@smu.edu</A></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=apple-converted-space><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</A> [<A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</A>]<SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>Kendall Ross Bean<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:13 PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[CAUT] Tuning Pin Questions, self adhesive nameboard felt</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Dave~</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">A 4 year old Steinway M? Self stick nameboard felt? Were those the original factory bushing in the keybuttons?</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Or had it been previously rebushed.....? </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Or were there two kinds of felt on the keybutton?</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">(Its just hard to believe keys would have been rebushed within the first four years...</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">(Either confused, or incredulous, or perhaps, both~)</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">~Kendall</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">PianoFinders</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A title=http://www.pianofinders.com href="http://www.pianofinders.com/">www.pianofinders.com</A></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">e-mail:<SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=mailto:kenbean@pianofinders.com href="mailto:kenbean@pianofinders.com">kenbean@pianofinders.com</A></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">phone: (925) 676-3355</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><EM><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Connecting Pianos and People</SPAN></EM><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Kendall:<BR><BR><BR><BR>You asked how many still use self stick nameboard felt.  This summer I<BR>rebushed the front and balance rail bushings on a 4-year old Steinway M<BR>and while the guide pin bushings were traditional, the felt on the key<BR>buttons was clearly self-stick felt!  It was the exact same stuff as the<BR>nameboard felt.  Fortunately it came off well - the sticky stuff stuck<BR>to the felt not the button - but I had certainly never seen that before!<BR><BR><BR><BR>dave<BR><BR><BR><BR>David M. Porritt, RPT<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">dporritt at smu.edu</A></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>