<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3354" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear David~</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>You wrote:</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=2>><FONT face="Times New Roman">Meanwhile, he should be treated the same as anyone else on these lists...</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><FONT color=#000000><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>>subjected to the same abuse as anyone else, criticized for his writing style</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><FONT color=#000000><FONT face="Times New Roman">> and overuse of emoticons, same as anyone else.</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Thank you for trying to make me feel at home, but I really only asked to be a guest!  I really don't require any special treatment... unlike family members...</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT color=#000000 size=2>>if his participation on this list is to be predicated upon his active membership in PTG, </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT color=#000000 size=2>>I suspect someone is going to have to comb through Phil's numbers : </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT color=#000000 size=2>>CAUT - 377 Pianotech - 876 and begin pressing them to join as well.  Maybe Phil?</FONT><BR></DIV><FONT face=Arial> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>Poor Phil, don't you think he has done enough already? He already came up with one number for you: (65). Goodness knows how long that took him. C'mon, let up on the guy and stop volunteering him for new assignments at your every whim. THAT's the REAL problem with this organization! ;-).</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>As far as the "turmoil", I apologize. It really was never my intention to create a firestorm. I really just wanted to know about tuning pins. Honest. (Well, and maybe get to know a few people better...) </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>I perceive it is usually the new guest or the visitor in the house who inadvertantly stumbles over the "elephant in the room," and brings it, to his chagrin, to everyone's attention, simply because he doesn't understand that it's neither supposed to be there, nor noticed. I take full responsibility...   please don't anyone give up their vacation time on account of me... let's be "sensible" as David puts it.... </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am truly sorry. Please, continue where you left off when I entered. Let's everyone try and forget everything I said, okay? --And that Karen said too, while you're at it. --And, I guess, what several other people said as well. ;-)   )</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>(By the way, I am not a non-ex-member. (-I thought I made that clear). Being a non-ex-member would make me a member, in my book. Watch your double negatives.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT size=2>>I can't help thinking that for Kendall, or others with similar experiences, </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT size=2>>to overcome a history of ill-feelings to become part of the organization would be akin to, </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT size=2>>after years of casting aspersion on the skills (and more) of the average New Jersey driver, <BR>>me moving there and having to display NJ plates on my car.  I would be becoming the very<BR> >daemon I created.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>Excellent analogy, and very eloquent, David. I truly believe you grasped the concept.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>(~Except in this case I don't believe that I created it. That's giving me far too much credit.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT size=2>>Personally, I think Kendall would have the easier challenge.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM></EM></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM>(Personally, David, yes, I believe you're correct. It would be much easier for me to drive with New Jersey plates</EM>. -KRB)</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>Affectionately~</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kendall Ross Bean</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><SPAN class=377050009-13072008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=533361603-16112007>PianoFinders</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=533361603-16112007><A title=http://www.pianofinders.com href="http://www.pianofinders.com/">www.pianofinders.com</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=533361603-16112007>e-mail: <A title=mailto:kenbean@pianofinders.com href="mailto:kenbean@pianofinders.com">kenbean@pianofinders.com</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=533361603-16112007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=533361603-16112007><EM>Connecting Pianos and People</EM></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><BR> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left> <HR tabIndex=-1> <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> David Skolnik [mailto:davidskolnik@optonline.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 12, 2008 5:47 AM<BR><B>To:</B> College and University Technicians<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] Requirements for contributing - Time to chill?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV><BR>Dear list, Kendall & Karen -<BR><BR>It may be time to step back, before people feel compelled to cancel their vacations, just to stay tuned to this.  The thread has already split, under the same subject.  <BR>- maligning and defending Pianotech<BR>- the mission of the PTG and its process<BR>- the relationship between PTG & non-PTG world<BR>- Kendall's specific history<BR>- Kendall's contribution<BR>- other<BR><BR>Chris suggested - presumably that's <I>all</I> he can do - that this discussion is more appropriately had on ptg-l, with which I agree...except for a few things.  First, in theory, Kendall can't participate, as a non-ex-member, though Karen, I believe could.  Perhaps a waiver could be granted.  Second, I'm not sure that even ptg-l is an appropriate venue, for a few reasons, but, given that less than a full week ago, Kendall simply asked a question, and in that time has managed to generate this much turmoil  means either that, to misquote Chris, <FONT size=2>'we know how dangerous he is', or else we should recognize the potential of his contribution (to the general discussion) and allow him the 'guest' status he requested.  A place should be found for the on going consideration of the issues that have been raised, but if his participation on this list is to be predicated upon his active membership in PTG, I suspect someone is going to have to comb through Phil's numbers : </FONT>CAUT - 377 Pianotech - 876 and begin pressing them to join as well.  Maybe Phil?<BR><BR>I'm not saying Kendall is correct in his position.  I just don't think it's simple.  If it were, the organization wouldn't still be wrestling with these issues after this many years.  Meanwhile, he should be treated the same as anyone else on these lists...subjected to the same abuse as anyone else, criticized for his writing style and overuse of emoticons, same as anyone else.<BR><BR>Ed's suggestions, while not particularly glamorous, are probably the most sensible way to deal with Kendall's specific issue, but I can't help thinking that for Kendall, or others with similar experiences, to overcome a history of ill-feelings to become part of the organization would be akin to, after years of casting aspersion on the skills (and more) of the average New Jersey driver, me moving there and having to display NJ plates on my car.  I would be becoming the very daemon I created.  Personally, I think Kendall would have the easier challenge.  <BR><BR>I'm not sure I'm ready for what comes next.<BR><BR>Fondly -<BR><BR>David Skolnik<BR>Hastings on Hudson, NY<BR>Flame suit on back-order<BR><BR></BODY></HTML>