<div dir="ltr"><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Ron Nossaman <<a href="mailto:rnossaman@cox.net">rnossaman@cox.net</a>> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <div class="Ih2E3d"><br><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Without trying to annoy anyone...;-]  Does anyone know if the NY Steinway Sost system or the Hamburg Sost system came first?   <br> </blockquote><br></div>I have no idea. <div class="Ih2E3d"><br><br><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Not that it makes any difference...I'm am trying to understand the logic for the two different ideas.   Because the sostenuto is a pedal function, it seems like the logical place for the sostenuto would be closely aligned with the damper system.   <br> </blockquote><br></div>That is the approach I consider to be logical as well. <div class="Ih2E3d"><br><br><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">The NY system is closely aligned, but when the action is removed, there is no connection...you can only work on the system with the action in place...<br> </blockquote><br></div>Exactly, which seems illogical to me. Looking through a class handout, "THE STEINWAY PATENTS", the sostenuto isn't mentioned, which seems odd to me considering that the pulsator is. If there were some clear and rational benefit to action mounted sostenuto brackets, It seems to me that the company producing them would be proud enough of them to want to show them off. The list membership sees a lot more different brands of piano than I do, so tell me, does any other manufacturer mount the brackets on the action? Have they ever? Good ideas that have been around a long time tend to be emulated in some form by others, as do perhaps less sterling ideas implemented in prestigious brands.<br> Ron N<br></blockquote></div> <div><br>Hi David & Ron,</div> <div> </div> <div>I have a fair bit of experience with asian, primarily Japanese and Korean grands. It's been my observation that they do a pretty good job of copying good ideas. I haven't seen any of their grands with the sustenuto brackets in the action, even though they use the Steinway style action. </div> <div>Furthermore I have 2 Boston pianos that I care for and neither of those has the sustenuto brackets in the action and those, according to the plate casting, are a Steinway design.</div> <div> </div> <div>I currently have Ivers & Pond c.1909 and a 5'7" Baldwin c.1919 under varying states of repair and neither boasts any sustenuto brackets in the actions.</div> <div> </div> <div>Mike<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>I feel sorry for the person who can't get genuinely excited about his work. Not only will he never be satisfied, but he will never achieve anything worthwhile. <br>Walter Chrysler <br> <br><br><br>Michael Magness<br>Magness Piano Service<br>608-786-4404<br><a href="http://www.IFixPianos.com">www.IFixPianos.com</a><br>email <a href="mailto:mike@ifixpianos.com">mike@ifixpianos.com</a> </div></div>