<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1611" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US vLink=purple link=blue bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>Hi Jim,</DIV> <DIV> It occurred to me after I had some facetious fun with what has been said and done that there is a "real" issue here worth mentioning. I engage in this at the risk of breaking my "3 replies to one email rule."</DIV> <DIV>The issue is one of calibration. While it is not likely that one of "our" ETDs, the four regularly used by piano tUners, is very far off it is possible that they may need calibration from time to time. And for sure the Barbie tuner needs it. When it was last calibrated and to what standard is the real issue. The fact that you have two very high standard ETDs reading the same thing is a good bet that they are currently correct.</DIV> <DIV>There is also a more important second real issue of public relations and there you have been advised and I know you are doing all to maintain healthy relations. Perception is reality. The arrogant double reed tyrant needs your help and guidance just as much as the apprentice in your shop. Best of luck.</DIV> <DIV>Chris</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: <A title=jim_busby@byu.edu href="mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu">Jim Busby</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and University Technicians</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:38 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: [CAUT] Barbie tuner</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> Interesting!<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I simply used both the SAT and the Verituner to read A4 as did he with his Barbie toy. I really don’t know what his toy reads, nor exactly what both my ETDs read, but what I do know is that both my ETDs read the one piano right on A440 and the other at A443 (Right where I tuned them) and his BT read that BOTH pianos were at A442!  I don’t know if partial/inharmonicity can account for that much discrepancy or not. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Or…… Maybe his $25.00 toy is just a piece of crap which should be never see the light of day, and I can suggest where that is  ;-)  (That’s my 10 year old ego speaking, from the heart.)<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Let’s see what  happens today. I’ve had several performers say they loved the pianos, but as usual, I try to tune according to my best experience/knowledge while trying to take into account that most feedback, good and bad, should be taken with a grain of salt. Sometimes the bad needs a bit more salt!<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Regards,<o:p></o:p> Jim<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Kendall Ross Bean Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:58 PM To: 'College and University Technicians' Subject: Re: [CAUT] Barbie tuner<o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <o:p> </o:p> Jim~<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> I just had an inspiration!<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> You could both be right! (-now don't lose me here...this is important) :<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Which partial was the oboe player listening to? And you! Which partial were you tuning to? (Uh huh, I thought so!)<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> You see! It IS possible. It's spelled I..N..H..A..R..M..O..N..I...C...I...T...Y...<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Did you know that oboe tone is closest to a pure sine wave? And that pure sine waves are most always perceived as flat? (Oh yes, -most 'specially by piano tooners)<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Just go read Harvey Fletcher.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> ;-)<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> ~Kendall Ross Bean<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center> <HR align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </DIV> From: Jim Busby [mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:34 PM To: College and University Technicians Subject: [CAUT] Barbie tuner<o:p></o:p> List,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I won’t name the fellow, but at the International Double Reed Society conference here at BYU there is this “oboist” who is running around with this tiny guitar tuner complaining that all the instruments are off. He confronted me before one of his performances saying that the pitch of the Shigeru was not A440 but was A442. He said the Hamburg D was also A442 (Was supposed to be at A443). I told him I was confident the pitch was where it was supposed to be on both instruments and that maybe his small tuner was off. BAD thing to say! Boy was he mad! After his performance, when most the people were gone, the head honcho watched me measure the pianos. Less than 4/10ths of one cent off… (Dang! Will I ever learn to keep my pitch dead on?)<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Funny, but almost all his high notes were extremely flat. Or maybe I’m just dreaming…<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Jim Busby<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> p.s. Other than this unfortunate experience everyone else is very nice and complimentary. <o:p></o:p></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>