<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Alan,<div>If I understand correctly then, it was the jack hitting the hard knuckle back on its way under, "winking" in Steinway parlance.  Gives me some ideas for another piano...  Aren't these lists great!</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew Anderson</div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 26, 2008, at 12:15 PM, <a href="mailto:reggaepass@aol.com">reggaepass@aol.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div class="MsoNormal">First, let me say that I have never worked on a Yamaha of this vintage before.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>The craftsmanship is excellent.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>It has Schwander wippens.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>First we thought it was hardening of the jack felt punching.<span style="mso-spacerun: es">  </span>When needling and then replacing that did not solve the problem, we redirected our attention to the repetition lever, brushing, needling, and then replacing the drop screw leather pad ("bumper").<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>Still no change.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>We even tried replacing the piece of action cloth under the repetition lever height adjusting screw (Schwander, right?), just in case that had somehow gotten hard enough over the years to make noise when the lever came back up.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>Nope, not that either.</div> <div class="MsoNormal"><br> </div> <div class="MsoNormal">None of the keys were chucking (on a sixty-five year old instrument that has probably never had any major servicing!).  I have seen that condition either cause or contribute to this kind of noise before.  But if any thing, the balance holes are tight on the key pins.</div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Your last thought wins you bragging rights, Dan.  We decided to brush some knuckles.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  An associate</span>A 0observed that the nap of the leather did not lift as it has on all of the other pianos on which we have brushed knuckles.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>So we endeavored to replace the knuckle.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>The original had a core about 1.6 mm thick, whereas all of the replacements we had on hand—Renner, Abel and Tokiwa—have cores that are around 2 mm thick.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>Also, the original slot was too shallow for any of the replacements.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>So we used a 2 mm wide file to both widen and deepen the slot.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>New knuckle installed (used Titebond Trim and Molding glue, which seems to work well), noise gone.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> Well, as we so often say in the piano world, “One down, eighty-seven to go!”  </span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><br> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">We seem to identified the fix, though I must admit that I'm not sure how it is that a hard knuckle could cause this problem.  (Then again, we humans have appreciated sunrises long before we understood what we were actually witnessing when we saw one.)  If anyone knows 1) WHY the hard knuckle leather causes this click on a quick release, or 2) HOW to treat the existing knuckle leather (magic potion, special armadillo comb, etc.), PLEASE do share your insights (hopefully before we file 87 more knuckle slots!).</span></div> <di v="" class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p> <div class="MsoNormal">May this save someone else all of the time we spent trouble-shooting.</div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Alan Eder</div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><br> </div>  <br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: Dan Reed <<a href="mailto:pianoarts@tx.rr.com">pianoarts@tx.rr.com</a>><br> To: College and University Technicians <<a href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</a>><br> Sent: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 8:57 pm<br> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Puzzler: Yamaha G7 clicks<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_36ba8434-befc-4f16-bcf3-440a3ae4f635" style="margin: 0px;font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif;font-size: 12px;color: #000;background-color: #fff;"> <pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>In addition to hard jack stop felt....Some more of the usual suspects.... Hard drop screw felt on the rep lever, snapping back on a quick release, hitting the drop screw..... 'Chucking key...key bouncing on the balance rail on a quick release... Hard knuckle...bouncing on the jack top... Dan Dallas On Jul 25, 2008, at 7:36 PM, <a href="mailto:reggaepass@aol.com">reggaepass@aol.com</a> wrote: <excerpt>Yes, you read that correctly, this is a Yamaha model G (not C) 7, s/n 3xxxxx.  When the key is released slowly, the click isn't noticeable.  However, on a quick release, it is annoyingly prominent.  What is the cause? 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