Jeff, <div><br> </div> <div>Like you, I don't have anything from which to hang a winch. I have used the same shop crane / engine hoist that Dale recommended for years. It doesn't have much of a footprint when collapsed (big improvement over my former NON-collapsible hoist, which I had to disassemble each time in order to get it out of the way.) Make sure the hydraulic oil is topped off and you're good to go when you need it.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Alan Eder<br> <br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: Jim Busby <jim_busby@byu.edu><br> To: College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org><br> Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 2:42 pm<br> Subject: Re: [CAUT] existing pins<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_f5554016-893e-4371-bad8-70c3f3e059e9"> <div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Jeff,</span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">What Dale said. I got one and love it! And Harbor Freight has them on sale right now for about $149.00 if you have their catalog. I got mine at a local hardware store for $100.00 because they lost a caster (I had an extra…)</span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </s pan></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Pulling with the “pins in” sometimes requires a gentle bit of wiggling or bumping with a rubber mallet to get the pins to release. If you do it just with people lifting there’s a lot of potential injury waiting for the guy that has his fingers in the wrong place. And then there is the finish damage that can happen while moving around with it… Personally I’d never try it w/o this, or a hoist. Especially a D. </span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Jim Busby BYU</span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></div> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ward & Probst, Inc<br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:27 PM<br> <b>To:</b> 'College and University Technicians'<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CAUT] existing pins</span></div>0A </div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:blue">Hi Jeff,</span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:blue">I've used a shop crane for pulling plates quite a few times. An example is here: <a target="_blank" href="http://ww2.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=93840">http://ww2.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=93840</a></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:blue">It folds up pretty compactly for storage.</span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:blue">DP</span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Dale Probst, RPT</span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Midwestern State University</span></div> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">-----Original Message-----<br> <b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:caut-bounces@ ptg.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff Farris<br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:19 PM<br> <b>To:</b> College and University Technicians<br> <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:linnroath@mail.utexas.edu">linnroath@mail.utexas.edu</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> [CAUT] existing pins</span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hey list,<br> <br> One more post about restringing with existing pins. We had a lot of good points brought up last time. I like Jon Page’s beckett tool, for instance. <br> <br> This time I’m curious if anyone has pulled the plate, without a hoist, while leaving the existing tuning pins in place. We do not have means to mount anything like a wench or whatever to pull plates. We normally have our movers show up with enough manpower to simply lift them out, and set them back in place. But we’ve never attempted using the existing pins. It happens to be a “D”. I’m concerned about the angle of the pins vs. the nosebolts. And holding all that weight long enough to deal with any “problems” that pop up. Any thoughts on this? Has anyone ever done it?<br> <br> Jeff Farris<br> Piano Technician<br> School of Music<br> UT Austin<br> <a>jfarris@mail.utexas.edu</a><br> 512-471-0158</span></div> </blockquote> </div> </div>  </div> <div id='u8CACC78B47FCDE2-2B0-246F' class='aol_ad_footer'><FONT style="color: black; font: normal 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF;"><HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px">It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that make the grade on <A title="http://shopping.aol.com/back-to-school?ncid=aolins00050000000007" href="http://shopping.aol.com/back-to-school?ncid=aolins00050000000007" target="_blank">AOL Shopping</A>.</FONT> </div>