<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16711" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: SimSun; } @font-face { font-family: SimSun; } @font-face { font-family: Calibri; } @font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @font-face { font-family: @SimSun; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } SPAN.gmailquote { mso-style-name: gmail_quote } SPAN.sg { mso-style-name: sg } SPAN.EmailStyle19 { COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-style-type: personal-reply } .MsoChpDefault { mso-style-type: export-only } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US vLink=purple link=blue bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim-</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In the 1980's and early '90's Central Piedmont Community College in Charlotte offered a program, which I believe could lead to an Associate's Degree.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In recent discussions about restarting the program (not gonna happen) the answer given was that CPCC now only offers claases which are recognized in the "Standard Curriculum" by the accrediting agency for state colleges. They want all classes to be transferable to 4 year colleges, as part of the plan to upgrade the academic reputation of the college. Apparently there is a book which lists all universally acceptable-for-credit courses</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The situation may be different in private schools. Shepard school of Music at Rice was offering a 5 year BMus. degree, with lots of the standard music curriculum and seemingly not that much piano technology. That program is, I believe, defunct. The standard BMus program already has so many requirements that schools have a hard time cramming it into 4 years.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Perhaps degrees in recording and music technology would offer a model.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed Sutton</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jim_busby@byu.edu href="mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu">Jim Busby</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=poppyspys@yahoo.com href="mailto:poppyspys@yahoo.com">poppyspys@yahoo.com</A> ; <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and UniversityTechnicians</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:22 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] Degrees in Piano Technology?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">But… there are no “degrees”? Anywhere? Does anyone know if U. of Western Ontario offers a degree? I couldn’t get that out of their website.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">If anyone should be given the right to give a college degree it would be NBSS.  They are fantastic! Many other programs are very good too, but as someone pointed out to me, anyone can offer a “certificate” but if an actual accredited University has a degree if has a lot more weight with academia. (Not my words…)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I understand that Owen Jorgensen had a degree offered where he was. Does anyone know?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I’m being pressed by a new University to pursue this but want to find a precedent, if one exits. It’s always harder to “reinvent the wheel”.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jim<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Poppy Miles<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B> College and University Technicians<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] Degrees in Piano Technology?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 0in" vAlign=top> <P class=MsoNormal>In addition to the Emil Fries school in Vancouver WA, there are several other piano technology programs: The North Bennet St School has a two year program in piano tuning repair, and rebuilding ( in the second year), Chicago School of Piano Technology offers a one year program, Minnesota offers a program as well, I believe Larry Crab has a program in Georgia, Randy Potter has a corespondence course, and The University of Western Ontario has a one year program in piano tuning and rebuilding. I am partial to The North Bennet St School (as I am an alumni).  I've also heard some good things about the University of Western Ontario.  All of these programs offer certificates as opposed to degrees. <BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 8/25/08, Karen Lindsley <I><36keys@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">From: Karen Lindsley <36keys@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re: [CAUT] Degrees in Piano Technology?<BR>To: "College and University Technicians" <caut@ptg.org><BR>Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 6:30 PM<o:p></o:p></P> <DIV id=yiv431524809> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">There is a two year program for the blind in Vancouver Washington at the School of Piano Technology for the Blind.  This is a certificate program as opposed to a degree program, but certainly prepares you for entry level work.<o:p></o:p></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=gmailquote>On 8/25/08, <B>Jim Busby</B> <<A href="mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu" target=_blank>jim_busby@byu.edu</A>> wrote:</SPAN> <o:p></o:p></P> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>List,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>Are there any degrees in Piano Technology currently offered in the U.S., besides Florida State's Masters program? I know we've posted numerous things in the past about this with many CAUTs starting classes, etc. but has anyone succeeded in getting an associate or bachelors degree going?? <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>Thanks all.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>Jim Busby BYU<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>