<WBR>Jim<br> <br> If I recall, Owen worked at Michigan State, where they had a 4 year degree in piano technology. Back in 1984 I taught a couple of classes at the Michigan Seminar, in Lansing, For the banquet, the entertainment was a graduating senior playing on a piano she had rebuilt. Owen's son, Michael, is now the tech at Central Michigan. (his e-mail address is in the directory). Perhaps he can offer some insight.  <br> <br> <div style="CLEAR: both">Wim<br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: Jim Busby <jim_busby@byu.edu><br> To: poppyspys@yahoo.com <poppyspys@yahoo.com>; College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org><br> Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 8:22 am<br> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Degrees in Piano Technology?<br> <br> </div> <div id=AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37> <STYLE> @#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 font-face {font-family:SimSun; panose-1:2 1 6 0 3 1 1 1 1 1;}@#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 font-face {font-family:SimSun; panose-1:2 1 6 0 3 1 1 1 1 1;}@#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}@#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}@#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 font-face {font-family:"@SimSun"; panose-1:2 1 6 0 3 1 1 1 1 1;} #AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 p.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 li.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 a:link,#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;}#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 a:visited,#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;}#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 span.gmailquote {mso-style-name:gmail_quote;}#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 span.sg {mso-style-name:sg;}#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 span.EmailStyle19 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;}#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only;}@#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#AOLMsgPart_2_461f6665-522f-4049-8559-b4459c774e37 div.Section1 {page:Section1;}</STYLE> <div class=Section1> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Thanks,</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">But… there are no “degrees”? Anywhere? Does anyone know if U. of Western Ontario offers a degree? I couldn’t get that out of their website.</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">If anyone should be given the right to give a college degree it would be NBSS.  They are fantastic! Many other programs are very good too, but as someone pointed out to me, anyone can offer a “certificate” but if an actual accredited University has a degree if has a lot more weight with academia. (Not my words…)</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I understand that Owen Jorgensen had a degree offered where he was. Does anyone know?</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I’m being pressed by a new University to pursue this but want to find a precedent, if one exits. It’s always harder to “reinvent the wheel”.</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Thanks,</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jim</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FO NT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> <div style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <div class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</A> [<A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Poppy Miles<br> <B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:34 PM<br> <B>To:</B> College and University Technicians<br> <B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] Degrees in Piano Technology?</SPAN></div> </div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 0in" vAlign=top> <div class=MsoNormal>In addition to the Emil Fries school in Vancouver WA, there are several other piano technology programs: The North Bennet St School has a two year program in piano tuning repair, and rebuilding ( in the second year), Chicago School of Piano Technology offers a one year program, Minnesota offers a program as well, I believe Larry Crab has a program in Georgia, Randy Potter has a corespondence course, and The University of Western Ontario has a one year program in piano tuning and rebuilding. I am partial to The North Bennet St School (as I am an alumni).  I've also heard=2 0some good things about the University of Western Ontario.  All of these programs offer certificates as opposed to degrees. <br> <br> --- On <B>Mon, 8/25/08, Karen Lindsley <I><<A href="mailto:36keys@gmail.com">36keys@gmail.com</A>></I></B> wrote:</div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">From: Karen Lindsley <<A href="mailto:36keys@gmail.com">36keys@gmail.com</A>><br> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Degrees in Piano Technology?<br> To: "College and University Technicians" <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>><br> Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 6:30 PM</div> <div id=yiv431524809> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">There is a two year program for the blind in Vancouver Washington at the School of Piano Technology for the Blind.  This is a certificate program as opposed to a degree program, but certainly prepares you for entry level work.</div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=gmailquote>On 8/25/08, <B>Jim Busby</B> <<A href="mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu">jim_busby@byu.edu</A>> wrote:</SPAN> </div> <div> <div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal>List,</div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal>Are there any degrees in Piano Technology currently offered in the U.S., besides Florida State's Masters program? I know we've posted numerous things in the past about this with many CAUTs starting classes, etc. but has anyone succeeded in getting an associate or bachelors degree going?? </div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div>0A</div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal>Thanks all.</div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal>Jim Busby BYU</div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></div> </div> </div> <div id='u8CAD6920C07035F-F44-BA42' class='aol_ad_footer'><FONT style="color: black; font: normal 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF;"><HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px">Check out <A title="http://video.aol.com/show/ap/101923?ncid=aolvdp00050000000184" href="http://video.aol.com/show/ap/101923?ncid=aolvdp00050000000184" target="_blank">AOL Video</A> to see what's making news today!</FONT> </div>