<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1613" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY id=role_body style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" bottomMargin=7 bgColor=#ffffff leftMargin=7 topMargin=7 rightMargin=7> <DIV>undergrad in cabinet making might be a better foundation</DIV> <DIV>Chris Solliday</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=McNeilTom@aol.com href="mailto:McNeilTom@aol.com">McNeilTom@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 29, 2008 9:04 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [CAUT] Tonmeister, baccalaureate degrees, etc.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV>Greetings, Colleagues -</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I was working at SUNY Fredonia School of Music, 'til '95, they had a very good program in sound recording technology.  It was highly regarded and had very high entrance requirements.  Some of our best musicians were in this Tonmeister program, which was a baccalaureate degree with all the usual core requirements of other music major programs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes, Prof. Owen Jorgensen developed a baccalaureate program in piano technology at Michigan State University, College of Music. That ran from the early '70s until he retired in the early '90s.  I was privileged to be a guinea pig in his developing program in the late '60s.  The degree program also had the same core requirements as all the other music majors.  I returned as a guest lecturer in some of the classes during and after my graduate studies (in musicology: organology).  The program was excellent, and a few of our most esteemed colleagues came from it.  However, it suffered from one defect in its concept:  Eighteen-year-olds almost never enter college with dreams of becoming a piano technician!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I lectured in the program, in the late '70s, early '80s, we had an interesting mix of students.  Many of the students already had music degrees, even graduate degrees.  And some came from other walks of life; I even had one student who was a physician (M.D.)!  But we had relatively few students who entered - and stuck with - the program through its four-year degree curriculum. [ I think this must have been an important consideration when MSU decided to retire the program along with Jorgensen, its founder.]  I always felt the program would "work" better if approached as a master's degree curriculum, along the lines of how Library Science is presented.  Prerequisite would probably be an undergrad music degree, or liberal arts degree with music emphasis.  I hope someone picks up this ball and runs with it!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 PTSIZE="10" FAMILY="SANSSERIF">~ Tom McNeil ~<BR>Vermont Piano Restorations<BR>VermontPiano.com<BR><BR>346 Camp Street<BR>Barre, VT 05641<BR>(802) 476-7072 <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 8/28/2008 7:28:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jim_busby@byu.edu writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Thanks Alan. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Hey Ric, any help on this?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jim<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>reggaepass@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:58 PM<BR><B>To:</B> caut@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] Degrees in Piano Technology?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal>Jim, <o:p></o:p></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>You might want to at least take a look at what is required to become a "tonemeister" (our closest equivalent would be a well musically educated recording technician) in Germany.  Ed suggested looking at recording technicians programs here in the states, which is a good idea, but those may not be high-powered enough on the music education side of the equation for a B. A.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Alan Eder<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Jim Busby <jim_busby@byu.edu><BR>To: poppyspys@yahoo.com <poppyspys@yahoo.com>; College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org><BR>Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:22 am<BR>Subject: Re: [CAUT] Degrees in Piano Technology?<o:p></o:p></P> <DIV id=AOLMsgPart_2_c4e94b3b-2a96-4ec5-b7f3-05daccb6acbc> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Thanks,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">But… there are no “degrees”? Anywhere? Does anyone know if U. of Western Ontario offers a degree? I couldn’t get that out of their website.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">If anyone should be given the right to give a college degree it would be NBSS.  They are fantastic! Many other programs are very good too, but as someone pointed out to me, anyone can offer a “certificate” but if an actual accredited University has a degree if has a lot more weight with academia. (Not my words…)</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I understand that Owen Jorgensen had a degree offered where he was. Does anyone know?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I’m being pressed by a new University to pursue this but want to find a precedent, if one exits. It’s always harder to “reinvent the wheel”.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Thanks,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jim</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><S><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></S></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV id=u8CAD7571E03B153-B04-1C22> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-TOP: 7.5pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><S><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <HR align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></S></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-TOP: 7.5pt"><S><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Check out <A title=http://video.aol.com/show/ap/101923?ncid=aolvdp00050000000184 href="http://video.aol.com/show/ap/101923?ncid=aolvdp00050000000184" target=_blank>AOL Video</A> to see what's making news today!</SPAN></S><S><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></S></P></DIV></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT></DIV></FONT><BR><BR><BR> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF; COLOR: black"> <HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px"> It's only a deal if it's where <I>you</I> want to go. 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