<div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks, Fred,</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br> <br> </font>It could be the glides...I'll try raising them to <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">the point of no balance rail contact with the keybed (if that is possible on this concert grand action) and see what that does for fallboard/keytop clearance.  Key dip currently measures at around 10 mm in the extreme areas and and less than that in the middle half or so (along with the beginning of the </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">requisite </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">"smiley face" effect in the key leveling).  <br> <br> The pin(s) in the rim didn't catch my eye as bent, but I will check more carefully next visit.<br> <br> Alan Eder<br> </font></div> <div> <br> </div> <div> <br> </div> -----Original Message-----<br> From: Fred Sturm <fssturm@unm.edu><br> To: College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org><br> Sent: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 9:37 am<br> Subject: Re: [CAUT] fallboard vs. keytops<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_58177618-c528-4b97-a6ec-7ce138f8efb6"> Glides adjusted very badly (by someone who wanted to increase aftertouch perhaps)? Piano dropped in shipment, causing that pin in the rim to be pushed downward?<br> <div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;"> <div style=""> <div>Regards,</div> <div>Fred Sturm</div> <div>University of New Mexico</div> <div><a href="mailto:fssturm@unm.edu">fssturm@unm.edu</a></div> <div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div> </div> </span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div> <br> <div> <div>On Sep 1, 2008, at 8:59 AM, <a href="mailto:reggaepass@aol.com">reggaepass@aol.com</a> wrote:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">List,<br> <br> Just saw a two year old grand made by a top manufacturer.  The client had complained that the fallboard didn't fit right.  When lifted, it would ride up off the pin on which it rotates on the treble end.  (So it's a "pin in the rim" as opposed to a pin in thefallboard design.)  Upon removing the fallboard , it was apparent that the shipping rail (AKA key hold down rail?--don't have my copy of Mason handy at the moment) was much too high on the treble end.  Regulated it correctly, and thefalboard no longer rides up.  NOW the problem is that when the fallboard is raised, it depresses about half the keys, mostly on the treble end.  (I know, I know: depressed keys get Prozac.)  The problem of thefallboard pushing the keys down may have been one of the previous "tooners'" motivation to raise the shipping rail, thereby solving one problem while causing another.  (Makes someone who is competent look like a hero by comparison, eh?)<br> <br> The (original) owner says that no action work (like, say, oh, raising the key height) has been done, and from the wear pattern, that does look to be the case.  I suppose there is a possibility that it came from the manufacturer this way.  It is conceivable that thefallboard had never been on with the action in at the factory until it went out.  At which time either no one noticed (!) or someone did notice but let it go anyway (!!!).  If, however, we assume that "something has gone wrong" that wasn't wrong to begin with, what could it be?  <br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> Alan Eder</font> <div id="u8CADA5A84334A2E-150-13C" class="aol_ad_footer"><font style="color: black; font-family: ARIAL,SAN-SERIF; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><hr style="margin-top: 10px;"><a title="http://mapquest.com/toolbar?ncid=mpqmap00050000000010" target="_blank" href="http://mapquest.com/toolbar?ncid=mpqmap00050000000010">Get the MapQuest Toolbar</a>. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More!</font> </div> </blockquote></div> <br> = </div>  <div id='u8CADA6D461BF7FD-FF8-FA' class='aol_ad_footer'><FONT style="color: black; font: normal 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF;"><HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px"><A title="http://mapquest.com/toolbar?ncid=mpqmap00050000000010" href="http://mapquest.com/toolbar?ncid=mpqmap00050000000010" target="_blank">Get the MapQuest Toolbar</A>. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More!</FONT> </div>