<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:x = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" xmlns:p = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:powerpoint" xmlns:a = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:access" xmlns:dt = "uuid:C2F41010-65B3-11d1-A29F-00AA00C14882" xmlns:s = "uuid:BDC6E3F0-6DA3-11d1-A2A3-00AA00C14882" xmlns:rs = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:rowset" xmlns:z = "#RowsetSchema" xmlns:b = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:publisher" xmlns:ss = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:spreadsheet" xmlns:c = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:component:spreadsheet" xmlns:odc = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:odc" xmlns:oa = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:activation" xmlns:html = "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:q = "http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/" XMLNS:D = "DAV:" xmlns:x2 = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/excel/2003/xml" xmlns:ois = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/ois/" xmlns:dir = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/directory/" xmlns:ds = "http://www.w3.org/2000/09/xmldsig#" xmlns:dsp = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/dsp" xmlns:udc = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc" xmlns:xsd = "http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:sub = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/2002/1/alerts/" xmlns:ec = "http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#" xmlns:sp = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/" xmlns:sps = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/" xmlns:xsi = "http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:udcxf = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc/xmlfile" xmlns:wf = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/workflow/" xmlns:mver = "http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/markup-compatibility/2006" xmlns:m = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns:mrels = "http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/relationships" xmlns:ex12t = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/exchange/services/2006/types" xmlns:ex12m = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/exchange/services/2006/messages" XMLNS:Z = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" xmlns:st = ""><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6001.18148" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US vLink=purple link=blue bgColor=white> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If I understand correctly it has no memory. It doesn't build up nformation as it goes, or store samples to calculate a curve in advance of itself. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It just listens to a note and somehow proposes an offset for that note, then "good-by." Go to any other note and it will do the same. Jump around from piano to piano, and it will continue to tune one note at a time.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>[I may be corrected on this.] </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ES</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dporritt@mail.smu.edu href="mailto:dporritt@mail.smu.edu">Porritt, David</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ed440@mindspring.com href="mailto:ed440@mindspring.com">Ed Sutton</A> ; <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and University Technicians</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 17, 2008 7:48 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CAUT] P-12ths was: Tuning a Steinway D andaBosendorferImperialtogether</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #215868">I wonder if it measures as it goes does it violate some patents held by other manufacturers?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #215868"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #215868">dp<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #215868"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #215868; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #215868; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas">David M. Porritt, RPT<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #215868; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas"><A href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu">dporritt@smu.edu</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #215868"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</A> [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ed Sutton<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 17, 2008 6:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B> College and University Technicians<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] P-12ths was: Tuning a Steinway D andaBosendorferImperialtogether<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">It seems that the device does not calculate curves, since the tuning of each note seems to be a discrete decision.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Is it possible that it measures the inharmonicity of the note, or perhaps several partials, and based upon this makes a decision (perhaps using a collection of of previously established templates), on the place to tune the note?</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Perhaps it has a set of ideal curves for various partials, and an algorithm to calculate a "best fit" compromise, one note at a time?</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Ed Sutton</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A title=mcpianos@hotmail.com href="mailto:mcpianos@hotmail.com">Marcel Carey</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and University Technicians</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Friday, October 17, 2008 6:47 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re: [CAUT] P-12ths was: Tuning a Steinway D andaBosendorferImperial together<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Well Don, I had read that page, but I was wondering about the actual working of the program. I wrote privatly to Kent to ask what were the features or the actual handling of the machine. It seems (if I understood correctly) that there is no pitch adjustment or pitch raise function, no measurements taken, not to mention file savings. My big question is does the program measure and calculate a perfect tuning for each piano or is it just like 1 tuning file in a box. This tuning file being so perfect that it would fit all pianos...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">This is my question. Before I invest over a thousand dollars in something like this, I would like to see screen shots of the differents features I'm used to with other tuning programs TL, Veritune and CyberTuner.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Marcel<BR><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <HR id=stopSpelling align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><BR>> Hi Marcel,<BR>> <BR>> Do you mean this page?<BR>> <BR>> http://www.piano-stopper.de/html/stopper_tuning1.html<BR>> <BR>> At 04:50 AM 10/17/2008 -0400, you wrote:<BR>> > Hi Kent,&S and Bosendorfer sounded so good together.I'm not too sure.<BR>> >Wish Bernhard would tell us more about his program and add some tweeking<BR>> >functions in it.Marcel Carey<BR>> ><BR><BR>> <BR>> mailto:pianotuna@yahoo.com http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/<BR>> <BR>> 3004 Grant Rd. REGINA, SK, S4S 5G7<BR>> 306-539-0716 or 1-888-29t-uner<BR>> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <HR align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Utilisez Windows Live Messenger pour envoyer des messages sur les cellulaires de vos amis <A href="http://www.pc2mobile.ca/fr" target=_new>Plus de d�tails sur notre site PC@cellulaire</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>