<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>As far as I know, Ed is correct.</div><div><br></div><div>Kent</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Oct 17, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Ed Sutton wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="EN-US" vlink="purple" link="blue" bgcolor="white"><div><font face="Arial" size="2">If I understand correctly it has no memory. It doesn't build up nformation as it goes, or store samples to calculate a curve in advance of itself.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">It just listens to a note and somehow proposes an offset for that note, then "good-by." Go to any other note and it will do the same. Jump around from piano to piano, and it will continue to tune one note at a time.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">[I may be corrected on this.]</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">ES</font></div><blockquote dir="ltr" style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-position: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="dporritt@mail.smu.edu" href="mailto:dporritt@mail.smu.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Porritt, David</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="ed440@mindspring.com" href="mailto:ed440@mindspring.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Ed Sutton</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="caut@ptg.org" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">College and University Technicians</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, October 17, 2008 7:48 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [CAUT] P-12ths was: Tuning a Steinway D andaBosendorferImperialtogether</div><div><br></div><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: rgb(33, 88, 104); ">I wonder if it measures as it goes does it violate some patents held by other manufacturers?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: rgb(33, 88, 104); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: rgb(33, 88, 104); ">dp<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: rgb(33, 88, 104); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: rgb(33, 88, 104); font-family: Consolas; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: rgb(33, 88, 104); font-family: Consolas; ">David M. Porritt, RPT<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: rgb(33, 88, 104); font-family: Consolas; "><a href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">dporritt@smu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: rgb(33, 88, 104); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-right: 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-style: solid; padding-left: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; border-left-width: medium; border-left-style: none; border-left-color: initial; padding-top: 3pt; border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ed Sutton<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, October 17, 2008 6:23 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>College and University Technicians<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CAUT] P-12ths was: Tuning a Steinway D andaBosendorferImperialtogether<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">It seems that the device does not calculate curves, since the tuning of each note seems to be a discrete decision.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Is it possible that it measures the inharmonicity of the note, or perhaps several partials, and based upon this makes a decision (perhaps using a collection of of previously established templates), on the place to tune the note?</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Perhaps it has a set of ideal curves for various partials, and an algorithm to calculate a "best fit" compromise, one note at a time?</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Ed Sutton</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-right: 0in; border-top-width: medium; border-top-style: none; border-top-color: initial; padding-left: 4pt; padding-bottom: 0in; margin-top: 5pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-left: 3.75pt; border-left-color: black; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-style: solid; padding-top: 0in; border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">----- Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="mcpianos@hotmail.com" href="mailto:mcpianos@hotmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Marcel Carey</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">To:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="caut@ptg.org" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">College and University Technicians</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, October 17, 2008 6:47 PM<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CAUT] P-12ths was: Tuning a Steinway D andaBosendorferImperial together<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">Well Don, I had read that page, but I was wondering about the actual working of the program. I wrote privatly to Kent to ask what were the features or the actual handling of the machine. It seems (if I understood correctly) that there is no pitch adjustment or pitch raise function, no measurements taken, not to mention file savings. My big question is does the program measure and calculate a perfect tuning for each piano or is it just like 1 tuning file in a box. This tuning file being so perfect that it would fit all pianos...<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">This is my question. Before I invest over a thousand dollars in something like this, I would like to see screen shots of the differents features I'm used to with other tuning programs TL, Veritune and CyberTuner.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">Marcel<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align: center; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><hr id="stopSpelling" align="center" width="100%" size="2"></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><br>> Hi Marcel,<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Do you mean this page?<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.piano-stopper.de/html/stopper_tuning1.html" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.piano-stopper.de/html/stopper_tuning1.html</a><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> At 04:50 AM 10/17/2008 -0400, you wrote:<br>> > Hi Kent,&S and Bosendorfer sounded so good together.I'm not too sure.<br>> >Wish Bernhard would tell us more about his program and add some tweeking<br>> >functions in it.Marcel Carey<br>> ><br><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> <a href="mailto:pianotuna@yahoo.com">mailto:pianotuna@yahoo.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/</a><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 3004 Grant Rd. 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