<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6001.18148" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space" bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kent-</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This might provide some information:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1) Find a piano with wound strings on the long bridge.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2) Aurally retune the lowest plainwire note to the same pitch as the highest wound string. Now you have very high and very low inharmonicity notes at the same pitch.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3) See what the machine does with these notes. Does it calculate different pitches for them? Do they match at a particular partial?  What's happenning at the third partial? Cybertuner Pianalyzer would give quick comparisons and show any partial matching.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>4) Similarly, when you tune the SD and BI together, take sample readings with the Cybertuner Pianalyzer and see what offsets you get at various partials.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=kswafford@gmail.com href="mailto:kswafford@gmail.com">Kent Swafford</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and University Technicians</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 17, 2008 10:04 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] P-12ths was: Tuning a Steinway DandaBosendorferImperialtogether</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>As far as I know, Ed is correct.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Kent</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>On Oct 17, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Ed Sutton wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"> <DIV lang=EN-US bgcolor="white" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If I understand correctly it has no memory. It doesn't build up nformation as it goes, or store samples to calculate a curve in advance of itself.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It just listens to a note and somehow proposes an offset for that note, then "good-by." Go to any other note and it will do the same. Jump around from piano to piano, and it will continue to tune one note at a time.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>[I may be corrected on this.]</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ES</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial"><B>From:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=dporritt@mail.smu.edu style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:dporritt@mail.smu.edu">Porritt, David</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=ed440@mindspring.com style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:ed440@mindspring.com">Ed Sutton</A><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>;<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=caut@ptg.org style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and University Technicians</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Friday, October 17, 2008 7:48 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>RE: [CAUT] P-12ths was: Tuning a Steinway D andaBosendorferImperialtogether</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(33,88,104)">I wonder if it measures as it goes does it violate some patents held by other manufacturers?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(33,88,104)"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(33,88,104)">dp<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(33,88,104)"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: rgb(33,88,104); FONT-FAMILY: Consolas"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: rgb(33,88,104); FONT-FAMILY: Consolas">David M. Porritt, RPT<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: rgb(33,88,104); FONT-FAMILY: Consolas"><A style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu">dporritt@smu.edu</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(33,88,104)"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: rgb(181,196,223) 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif"><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</A><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[<A style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</A>]<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>Ed Sutton<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Friday, October 17, 2008 6:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>College and University Technicians<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [CAUT] P-12ths was: Tuning a Steinway D andaBosendorferImperialtogether<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><O:P></O:P></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">It seems that the device does not calculate curves, since the tuning of each note seems to be a discrete decision.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">Is it possible that it measures the inharmonicity of the note, or perhaps several partials, and based upon this makes a decision (perhaps using a collection of of previously established templates), on the place to tune the note?</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">Perhaps it has a set of ideal curves for various partials, and an algorithm to calculate a "best fit" compromise, one note at a time?</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">Ed Sutton</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">----- Original Message -----<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=mcpianos@hotmail.com style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:mcpianos@hotmail.com">Marcel Carey</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=caut@ptg.org style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and University Technicians</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Friday, October 17, 2008 6:47 PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [CAUT] P-12ths was: Tuning a Steinway D andaBosendorferImperial together<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif">Well Don, I had read that page, but I was wondering about the actual working of the program. I wrote privatly to Kent to ask what were the features or the actual handling of the machine. It seems (if I understood correctly) that there is no pitch adjustment or pitch raise function, no measurements taken, not to mention file savings. My big question is does the program measure and calculate a perfect tuning for each piano or is it just like 1 tuning file in a box. This tuning file being so perfect that it would fit all pianos...<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif">This is my question. Before I invest over a thousand dollars in something like this, I would like to see screen shots of the differents features I'm used to with other tuning programs TL, Veritune and CyberTuner.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif">Thanks,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif">Marcel<BR><BR><BR><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif"> <HR id=stopSpelling align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif"><BR>> Hi Marcel,<BR>><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>> Do you mean this page?<BR>><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="http://www.piano-stopper.de/html/stopper_tuning1.html">http://www.piano-stopper.de/html/stopper_tuning1.html</A><BR>><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>> At 04:50 AM 10/17/2008 -0400, you wrote:<BR>> > Hi Kent,&S and Bosendorfer sounded so good together.I'm not too sure.<BR>> >Wish Bernhard would tell us more about his program and add some tweeking<BR>> >functions in it.Marcel Carey<BR>> ><BR><BR>><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>> <A href="mailto:pianotuna@yahoo.com">mailto:pianotuna@yahoo.com</A><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/">http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/</A><BR>><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>> 3004 Grant Rd. 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